[3.6] Triple Herald Blade Vortex Elementalist

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Crackulous wrote:

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worldpk wrote:

When looking for a shaper statstick, what's the benefit of going Sword? Seems to me it's not able to pull the same DPS boost as Dagger/Scepter unless you get a GG sword with dmg on full life + 2x extra.

You would need a 3 gain mods + pen dagger to beat a 2 gain mods + pen 35% crit multi implicit foil.

This example dagger -

Platinum Kris
50% increased Global Critical Strike Chance (Implicit)
Gain 40% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage
Gain 40% of Physical Damage as Extra Lightning Damage
Gain 20% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos Damage
Damage Penetrates 10% Elemental Resistances
+27% to Global Critical Strike Multiplier (Crafted)

would grant me 5.3% more damage than

Apex Rapier
+35% to Global Critical Strike Multiplier (Implicit)
Gain 40% of Physical Damage as Extra Fire Damage
Gain 40% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage
Damage Penetrates 10% Elemental Resistances
+27% to Global Critical Strike Multiplier (Crafted)

If the dagger had 2 gain mods -

Platinum Kris
50% increased Global Critical Strike Chance (Implicit)
Gain 40% of Physical Damage as Extra Cold Damage
Gain 40% of Physical Damage as Extra Lightning Damage
Damage Penetrates 10% Elemental Resistances
+27% to Global Critical Strike Multiplier (Crafted)

or

Platinum Kris
50% increased Global Critical Strike Chance (Implicit)
Gain 40% of Physical Damage as Extra Lightning Damage
Gain 20% of Elemental Damage as Extra Chaos Damage
Damage Penetrates 10% Elemental Resistances
+27% to Global Critical Strike Multiplier (Crafted)

I would lose damage.

The first is a loss of 6.2%, the second is a loss of 4.6%.

A 3 gain mod + pen dagger doesn't exist on Delve softcore. You can purchase a 2 gain mod + pen foil for 10-20 ex.

Any other whirling blades one handed weapon would increase this damage loss.

My Path of Building - https://pastebin.com/KmVThSUZ

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worldpk wrote:

I'm talking about multi-crafted scepters though.

40% x2, multi crafted Spell dmg/Multiplier/crit chance.

Also, I'm talking from a Shield charge perspective not Whirling blade. Sword outperforms dagger by like 3-5%, but scepters seems to be on par. Just wondering if there's any benefits from going sword instead of scepters.

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Crackulous wrote:

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worldpk wrote:

I'm talking about multi-crafted scepters though.

40% x2, multi crafted Spell dmg/Multiplier/crit chance.

Also, I'm talking from a Shield charge perspective not Whirling blade. Sword outperforms dagger by like 3-5%, but scepters seems to be on par. Just wondering if there's any benefits from going sword instead of scepters.

Sceptres are better than any other one handed weapon because they can roll 4 gain mods max (3 gain mod sceptres are affordable) and their implicits (pen/increased ele damage) are good. If you need any weapon for shield charging, sceptres are your best option.

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worldpk wrote:

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Crackulous wrote:

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worldpk wrote:

I'm talking about multi-crafted scepters though.

40% x2, multi crafted Spell dmg/Multiplier/crit chance.

Also, I'm talking from a Shield charge perspective not Whirling blade. Sword outperforms dagger by like 3-5%, but scepters seems to be on par. Just wondering if there's any benefits from going sword instead of scepters.

Sceptres are better than any other one handed weapon because they can roll 4 gain mods max (3 gain mod sceptres are affordable) and their implicits (pen/increased ele damage) are good. If you need any weapon for shield charging, sceptres are your best option.

That was my thought, but almost everyone I see in high delves on poe.ninja are using Sword with shield instead of Scepter. Was wondering if there was any specific reason for that. From my perspective, scepter seems to be more damage for the same price unless you go into the insane prices with the Damage on full life swords and whatnot.

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Crackulous wrote:

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?class=Elementalist&skill=Blade-Vortex&sort=depth-solo

Sceptres are more popular than any other one handed weapon, sceptre + shield is 40%. Daggers are popular because they can roll caster mods. Foils are easier to fossil craft and have a better implicit. All three are good options.

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worldpk wrote:

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Crackulous wrote:

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?class=Elementalist&skill=Blade-Vortex&sort=depth-solo

Sceptres are more popular than any other one handed weapon, sceptre + shield is 40%. Daggers are popular because they can roll caster mods. Foils are easier to fossil craft and have a better implicit. All three are good options.

Ahh yeah, I'm searching without Elemental Overload though.

Here's my search result (Depth 600+, no EO) Sword shield, Dagger shield and Dagger mace are 19%, Mace/shield is 10%.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?class=Elementalist&skill=Blade-Vortex&keystone=!Elemental-Overload&mindepthsolo=600&sort=depth-solo


EDIT: Actually changed the search to VBV instead of just normal BV, and it's 22% sword/shield, 6% mace/shield.

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Crackulous wrote:

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worldpk wrote:

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Crackulous wrote:

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?class=Elementalist&skill=Blade-Vortex&sort=depth-solo

Sceptres are more popular than any other one handed weapon, sceptre + shield is 40%. Daggers are popular because they can roll caster mods. Foils are easier to fossil craft and have a better implicit. All three are good options.

Ahh yeah, I'm searching without Elemental Overload though.

Here's my search result (Depth 600+, no EO) Sword shield, Dagger shield and Dagger mace are 19%, Mace/shield is 10%.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?class=Elementalist&skill=Blade-Vortex&keystone=!Elemental-Overload&mindepthsolo=600&sort=depth-solo


EDIT: Actually changed the search to VBV instead of just normal BV, and it's 22% sword/shield, 6% mace/shield.

1) A sample size of 20 has low significance and there's no reason to ignore non-vaal BV builds. EO ele BV is more popular than non-EO ele BV on the 600+ Delve ladder, if you're looking for the best general BV build, don't look at the Delve ladder. EO ele BV has significantly lower Shaper DPS than non-EO ele BV.

2) Non-EO builds prefer foils because the crit multi implicit could grant the damage increase of a third t3/t2 gain mod at a cheaper cost.

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worldpk wrote:

I put it to this low sample size because my goal is to push to 600+ delve for the challenge. I have no intention to do shaper or bosses in general as I have a Zerphi VD PP for that. Would you recommend going the EO version in that case? And on that same topic, why is it I see no MoM + EO builds?

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Crazyfen wrote:

Spoiler

What items should i change to make more damage and maybe little more defense, btw i use the Single duration cluster tree focusing on life and damage tree

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Crackulous wrote:

EO is better for delves because you want to scale Inpulsa's explosions to one shot packs. Because the explosion damage is a % of enemies' life, it's as strong at depth 100 as it is at depth 1000 if can start the 'chain.'

Ele BV's offense is its defense. EO + acro/phase acro demands less investment then MoM and when any hit can one shot you, dodge is stronger than more 'life.'