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will spectral shield throw scale in any way with facebreakers or the lightning gloves?
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im probably wrong but FB is for unarmed and spectral throw requires a weapon.. ?? .. ??
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It doesn’t benefit from the unarmed damage. The stats that refer to unarmed may be renamed to talk about unarmed attacks but to clarify, you’re using a shield to attack.




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Last edited by Nubatack#3979 on Feb 16, 2018, 10:46:49 AM
Facebreakers: As Bex said, no. Facebreakers deal 'Unarmed Damage'. SST is not 'Unarmed Damage'.

Doryani's Fist: Possibly. DF states "damage to attacks while Unarmed". SST is an attack. Shields are not weapons; a shield and an empty fist has (currently) always counted as 'Unarmed'. According to current logic, SST would very likely benefit from Doryani's Fist. As has been discussed in the other SST thread.
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Why would you want to add flat lightning damage to a physical attack?? not a lot of scaling options. I'm 99% sure an elder/shaper stat stick with up to 140% physical damage added as X will be better than unarmed doryani glove for shield spectral throw.

Even if you do an ES based shield and go for a crit lightning unarmed build a 400ES shield will do 5% base + 400*.01 = 9% base crit which is nothing impressive daggers and wands get higher.

Now that being said they only showed the level 1 gem (a mistake in my opinion why don't they show us level 20?). If it goes up to 0.2 or 0.3 base crit per 10 energy shield that will make doryani fist, if it works, unarmed ES build VERY strong. (Even more so if we get some decent assassin buffs)

So I guess it will be a crit unarmed vs flat phys + stat stick question . I still think the latter will win but doryanis gloves are cheap
Last edited by link1313#3590 on Feb 16, 2018, 12:49:27 PM
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link1313 wrote:
Why would you want to add flat lightning damage to a physical attack?? not a lot of scaling options. I'm 99% sure an elder/shaper stat stick with up to 140% physical damage added as X will be better than unarmed doryani glove for shield spectral throw.

Even if you do an ES based shield and go for a crit lightning unarmed build a 400ES shield will do 5% base + 400*.01 = 9% base crit which is nothing impressive daggers and wands get higher.

Now that being said they only showed the level 1 gem (a mistake in my opinion why don't they show us level 20?). If it goes up to 0.2 or 0.3 base crit per 10 energy shield that will make doryani fist, if it works, unarmed ES build VERY strong. (Even more so if we get some decent assassin buffs)

So I guess it will be a crit unarmed vs flat phys + stat stick question . I still think the latter will win but doryanis gloves are cheap


Let's assume a 400 phys damage shield which is pretty reasonable.

140% ele damage stat stick adds 560dmg. Pretty sweet but it will set you back what 50ex?

Doryani's adds 505 to 617 damage. For 1 chaos.
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Namcap wrote:

Let's assume a 400 phys damage shield which is pretty reasonable.

140% ele damage stat stick adds 560dmg. Pretty sweet but it will set you back what 50ex?

Doryani's adds 505 to 617 damage. For 1 chaos.


yes this is the best budget option, obv scaling abyssal flat damage jewels will show SST the best top end dps
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link1313 wrote:


Now that being said they only showed the level 1 gem (a mistake in my opinion why don't they show us level 20?). If it goes up to 0.2 or 0.3 base crit per 10 energy shield that will make doryani fist, if it works, unarmed ES build VERY strong. (Even more so if we get some decent assassin buffs)


In this case they didn't show us the high-end numbers because the high-end numbers haven't been 100% nailed down yet and are still undergoing fine tuning.

That said: 900+ flat lightning from a single source is not inconsiderable, especially considering the fact that the skill itself scales damage spell-style, rather than weapon-style. P2L and Winter Spirit are things that exist, as is NuChieftain's 50% passive conversion node. We're getting more options for elemental conversion all the time.

That said Mk. II: it's apparently been stated on Reddit (because everybody pays attention to Reddit and not THE OFFICIAL FUCKING FORUMS, right?) that Doryani's Fist will likely undergo a change to be 'unarmed attacks', same* as Facebreakers, because they don't want it to be the default go-to Clear Best Option for SST. Which...bothers me, given that Doryani's Fist is always perceived as being strictly inferior to Facebreakers in all ways for all things, but fine. be that way, guys.
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1453R wrote:
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link1313 wrote:


Now that being said they only showed the level 1 gem (a mistake in my opinion why don't they show us level 20?). If it goes up to 0.2 or 0.3 base crit per 10 energy shield that will make doryani fist, if it works, unarmed ES build VERY strong. (Even more so if we get some decent assassin buffs)


In this case they didn't show us the high-end numbers because the high-end numbers haven't been 100% nailed down yet and are still undergoing fine tuning.

That said: 900+ flat lightning from a single source is not inconsiderable, especially considering the fact that the skill itself scales damage spell-style, rather than weapon-style. P2L and Winter Spirit are things that exist, as is NuChieftain's 50% passive conversion node. We're getting more options for elemental conversion all the time.

That said Mk. II: it's apparently been stated on Reddit (because everybody pays attention to Reddit and not THE OFFICIAL FUCKING FORUMS, right?) that Doryani's Fist will likely undergo a change to be 'unarmed attacks', same* as Facebreakers, because they don't want it to be the default go-to Clear Best Option for SST. Which...bothers me, given that Doryani's Fist is always perceived as being strictly inferior to Facebreakers in all ways for all things, but fine. be that way, guys.


Ah darn that sucks

Still a pure ES shield could be interesting if the crit numbers are high enough. GGG's fine tuning has been non existent nowadays lol (100% increased fire res chieftain, 50% increased abyssal jewel effect darkness enthroned, 100% physical added as fire chieftain seems like they pick generic numbers )
Last edited by link1313#3590 on Feb 16, 2018, 6:30:41 PM
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D3izhistory wrote:
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Namcap wrote:

Let's assume a 400 phys damage shield which is pretty reasonable.

140% ele damage stat stick adds 560dmg. Pretty sweet but it will set you back what 50ex?

Doryani's adds 505 to 617 damage. For 1 chaos.


yes this is the best budget option, obv scaling abyssal flat damage jewels will show SST the best top end dps


What Abyss jewels? There's no 'Elemental Damage to Shield Attacks' jewel in the game; you'd be reliant solely on generic elemental damage, which is lower and harder to roll than damage-with-weapon, or the Facebreaker-low generic phys rolls that are worthless for everything except Facebreaker builds.

Can't turn everything into Windripper, man.
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