[quest] the memory eater (shaper's orbs) - guidelines

One question about atlas. If elder spawn in t12 map and I need to spawn him in higher tier map to obtain memory fragment, what I need to do? To defeat him and his guardians and then start from scratch or just keep spreading elder influenced area in hope that will change his spawn place into higher tier map with memory fragment?

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Tihi1982 wrote:

One question about atlas. If elder spawn in t12 map and I need to spawn him in higher tier map to obtain memory fragment, what I need to do? To defeat him and his guardians and then start from scratch or just keep spreading elder influenced area in hope that will change his spawn place into higher tier map with memory fragment?

Hello there.
When Elder and his friends spawn, they are locked in place.
The only way to change their positions is to kill guardians 1 by 1, then Elder, make Elder's influence spawn again, reach 20 maps, and pray again.
Welcome to hell.

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xhul wrote:

Their locations is mostly random

From my experience, elder & friends always spawn on the maps that are initially contaminated. Also, you can manipulate where it happens : each time I beat elder, I only run t14-16 maps afterwards and the zone consistently appears with a t15 inside.
Unfortunately, the repartition of elder and his guadians is random within that area, so getting elder to spawn on a t15 is still a pain.

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Barpus wrote:

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xhul wrote:

Their locations is mostly random

From my experience, elder & friends always spawn on the maps that are initially contaminated. Also, you can manipulate where it happens : each time I beat elder, I only run t14-16 maps afterwards and the zone consistently appears with a t15 inside.
Unfortunately, the repartition of elder and his guadians is random within that area, so getting elder to spawn on a t15 is still a pain.

I knew about the thing that defines at which tier the elder's influence pops, but not about the elder|guardian predefined location, though that's something i had suspected for a while, but never actually took the time to verify it, you sure about that ?
I mean, if what you say is true, what if the initially contaminated maps arent part of the elder's influence when elder comes ? And what about the recently added factor that gives better chances for them to spawn on higher tier maps ?

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xhul wrote:

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Barpus wrote:

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xhul wrote:

Their locations is mostly random

From my experience, elder & friends always spawn on the maps that are initially contaminated. Also, you can manipulate where it happens : each time I beat elder, I only run t14-16 maps afterwards and the zone consistently appears with a t15 inside.
Unfortunately, the repartition of elder and his guadians is random within that area, so getting elder to spawn on a t15 is still a pain.

I knew about the thing that defines at which tier the elder's influence pops, but not about the elder|guardian predefined location, though that's something i had suspected for a while, but never actually took the time to verify it, you sure about that ?
I mean, if what you say is true, what if the initially contaminated maps arent part of the elder's influence when elder comes ? And what about the recently added factor that gives better chances for them to spawn on higher tier maps ?

I'm not sure about that at all, maybe I'm under this impression because I have been targeting high tier maps to get my memory fragments, and it just so happened that elder and his guardians landed in the initial area because of the higher chance for higher tier maps. I actually got this idea from Zizaran's uber elder guide (around 1:30) and so far it seems to match my observations.
Also, once I had an initial area on basilica, palace, crimson temple, park & caldera. I removed caldera at the last moment then got elder on palace & the guardians on basilica, crimson temple, park & desert spring. So it seems that if some initial maps are unavailable, others are chosen possibly randomly with a bias towards higher tiers.

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Barpus wrote:

I'm not sure about that at all, maybe I'm under this impression because I have been targeting high tier maps to get my memory fragments, and it just so happened that elder and his guardians landed in the initial area because of the higher chance for higher tier maps. I actually got this idea from Zizaran's uber elder guide (around 1:30) and so far it seems to match my observations.
Also, once I had an initial area on basilica, palace, crimson temple, park & caldera. I removed caldera at the last moment then got elder on palace & the guardians on basilica, crimson temple, park & desert spring. So it seems that if some initial maps are unavailable, others are chosen possibly randomly with a bias towards higher tiers.

Thanks for that observation, i will change my text a bit.

While we're at it, i discovered something new today, about the elder's influence appearing location.
I always thought that the game used the tier of the last played map, but it's actually the atlas tier of the last played map.
So, let's say you have no influence on your atlas, and you complete a T10-Bog map, while having it shaped on your atlas, the influence will pop on a T15.
I have no idea if it's intended or not, but that can be useful (you get yourself a stock of T10s, shape that map on your atlas, and tada, you only have to spend T10s between your elder waves, faster & cheaper).
I discovered that with a T1 map that i had eldered on my atlas, pretty surprised to see the influence pop on a T15, very high chances it works the same way with shaper's orbs.

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xhul wrote:

While we're at it, i discovered something new today, about the elder's influence appearing location.
I always thought that the game used the tier of the last played map, but it's actually the atlas tier of the last played map.
So, let's say you have no influence on your atlas, and you complete a T10-Bog map, while having it shaped on your atlas, the influence will pop on a T15.
I have no idea if it's intended or not, but that can be useful (you get yourself a stock of T10s, shape that map on your atlas, and tada, you only have to spend T10s between your elder waves, faster & cheaper).
I discovered that with a T1 map that i had eldered on my atlas, pretty surprised to see the influence pop on a T15, very high chances it works the same way with shaper's orbs.

Wow, that's really useful, thanks for the tip! But yeah, I doubt it is intended.

Hi, I've just got elder to spawn using the new method since they introduced higher spawn rate for elder on red tier maps. Filled the red tier side of phoenix and added yellow tiers until there was enough influence to spawn the elder. I have 5 fragments waiting, they are distributed like this:

https://imgur.com/a/twvIC

tier: 13
#: 2
guardian: 2
1 fragment on each affected map.

tier: 14
#: 2
guardian: 1
elder is on a tier 14 map
1 fragment on each affected map

tier: 15
#: 1
guardian: 1
1 fragment on the guardian map.

My question is this:

if I followed what you've wrote does this mean by completing this particular elder I will have 14/15 fragments?
Since the elder is not situated in a tier 15 map.
This also means that the 2 fragments showed on tier 13 are duplicates?

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ForeverDunking wrote:

Hi, I've just got elder to spawn using the new method since they introduced higher spawn rate for elder on red tier maps. Filled the red tier side of phoenix and added yellow tiers until there was enough influence to spawn the elder. I have 5 fragments waiting, they are distributed like this:

https://imgur.com/a/twvIC

tier: 13
#: 2
guardian: 2
1 fragment on each affected map.

tier: 14
#: 2
guardian: 1
elder is on a tier 14 map
1 fragment on each affected map

tier: 15
#: 1
guardian: 1
1 fragment on the guardian map.

My question is this:

if I followed what you've wrote does this mean by completing this particular elder I will have 14/15 fragments?
Since the elder is not situated in a tier 15 map.
This also means that the 2 fragments showed on tier 13 are duplicates?

That is really gonna depend on your current quest progress.
First, i need to know :
1) your quest log - Check my original post and let me know which of the 3 images you currently have.
2) the quantity of fragments|orbs you already recovered

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T13 map + guardian > T8 orb
T14 map + guardian > T9 orb
T15 map + guardian > T10 orb
T14 map + elder > T9 orb
T15 map + elder > T10 orb

I don't think it works like this at all since I just
got all the last memory fragments (from 10/15 to 15/15)
from just spawning elder and guardians once and each of them
had fragment and NONE of them were in T15 map.

Elder in Terrace(T13)
Guardians in Promenade(T11), Racecourse(T12), Arsenal(T13), Colosseum(T14)