ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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CanHasPants wrote:

I’m okay with Amazon “paying no taxes.” They spend their money better and offer better services than the govt ever could. Taxes are collected on their employees income and their customers’ transactions, and Amazon is one of Amazon’s biggest customers. Each of Amazon’s services buy service from one another wherever appropriate. Money isn’t simply moved around within the companies, they conduct business amongst themselves as independent entities (because they are).

I’m sticking with team Amazon should team Trump decide to go to war with them. There’s plenty of things Trump could do to lose my support, and this is at the front of that list. Amazon represents the future of business in America, and the more old dinosaurs they squash along the way the better.

Amazon has a level of efficiency and breadth of service that is unmatched. They aren't remotely close to being optimal though. How would you objectively prove this? Look at all the continued efforts they are making to make their current processes even more efficient.

Once a near optimal model is determined, others will copy it and the only advantage Amazon will offer is its size. Pissing off 40-50% of their US customer base isn't going to play well in the long term for maintaining that size advantage.

Overall, they do a very good job at what they do. They do make more mistakes than people realize - because they currently have the financial excess to make good on their mistakes. As they continue to push the limits of their capabilities and more competitors appear using many of Amazon's own methods, that excess will become much tighter margins.

The strive for efficiency has always been the future of American business. When companies make enough to get complacent, is usually when a new wave of competitors begin emerging to resume to efficiency quest.

There are a couple groups that could successfully take on Amazon and win, but they are too greedy to give up their current chunk of the financial pie in return for sustained long term yield.

That is usually the problem when it comes to big corporations - how long are the big stakeholders willing to wait for a substantial return on their investment? The more impatient they are, the less they are going to seek out long term efficiency vs big yields in the short run.

The money in Amazon is relatively new and they are willing to wait longer for bigger yields. That will only last so long, and then their efficiency model will be sacrificed in various chunks.

It is the history of the corporate cycle and almost as invariable as the second law of thermodynamics. Many companies look brilliant when they are in the early stages. I don't mean to burst your enthusiasm for Amazon bubble. I think they have done some fantastic things, and caused a lot of companies to rethink their staid models.

Sears and IBM were dominant too at one point.

I dont even believe in income taxes it's slavery and worse grows inefficient welfare state mess we have. Did DoD ever find that 21 Trillion missing in black hole? Anyway - if Amazon can avoid them more power to them.

How did we ever manage until 1913...

I'll tell you how. Because govt didnt do 99% of the illegal stuff they do now.

They were only supposed to do enumerated powers.

“I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground that ‘all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or to the people.’ To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, not longer susceptible of any definition.” – Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank, 1791


He didnt read Marx - its Communism. We live in a communist state even though we call it capitalism it's just branding at this point in history.

Bailing out the failed banks to tune of 4 trillion should tell you that. Thats straight outta commieland.

https://www.hoover.org/research/why-socialism-fails

I think we will fail too due to this fact. QE/stock market bubble will probably hit on Trumps watch sadly and Dems/socialist will blame capitalism even though we dont even practice it anymore. We practice their ideals but they will blame capitalism.

When you want to use images of kids in cages to blame Trump for their misery but then you realize the images are from 2014 when Barry was president so it's not that big of a deal anymore. Several fake news propagandists reacted the same btw.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

We live in a communist state even though we call it capitalism it's just branding at this point in history.

Bailing out the failed banks to tune of 4 trillion should tell you that. Thats straight outta commieland.

That’s what I say. People look at me funny.

Capitalistic greed is ruining our colleges!
Nope, communism.

And health care!
Also communism.

And the housing market crash!
Com-yew-nizzam.

And livable wages!
How about you take that college degree and use it to create more jobs, you commie twit.

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DalaiLama wrote:

Amazon has a level of efficiency and breadth of service that is unmatched. They aren't remotely close to being optimal though. How would you objectively prove this?

Spoiler

Look at all the continued efforts they are making to make their current processes even more efficient.

Once a near optimal model is determined, others will copy it and the only advantage Amazon will offer is its size. Pissing off 40-50% of their US customer base isn't going to play well in the long term for maintaining that size advantage.

Overall, they do a very good job at what they do. They do make more mistakes than people realize - because they currently have the financial excess to make good on their mistakes. As they continue to push the limits of their capabilities and more competitors appear using many of Amazon's own methods, that excess will become much tighter margins.

The strive for efficiency has always been the future of American business. When companies make enough to get complacent, is usually when a new wave of competitors begin emerging to resume to efficiency quest.

There are a couple groups that could successfully take on Amazon and win, but they are too greedy to give up their current chunk of the financial pie in return for sustained long term yield.

That is usually the problem when it comes to big corporations - how long are the big stakeholders willing to wait for a substantial return on their investment? The more impatient they are, the less they are going to seek out long term efficiency vs big yields in the short run.

The money in Amazon is relatively new and they are willing to wait longer for bigger yields. That will only last so long, and then their efficiency model will be sacrificed in various chunks.

It is the history of the corporate cycle and almost as invariable as the second law of thermodynamics. Many companies look brilliant when they are in the early stages. I don't mean to burst your enthusiasm for Amazon bubble. I think they have done some fantastic things, and caused a lot of companies to rethink their staid models.

Sears and IBM were dominant too at one point.

I wouldn’t; there’s no need to. Amazon represents the new wave of innovations, and attempts to regulate it into submission represent dinosaur money trying to remain relevant in spite of their failures.

Give it 30 years or so—perhaps not immediately after Bezos passes down the reigns, but sometime thereafter—and Amazon’s risk of joining ranks with the lizard people grows over time. Maybe they’ve created a sustainable philosophy? Maybe not? All that matters right now is that they have the opportunity to extinct the current generation of deeply entrenched lizard people. At least, the ones who fail to adapt; if one of these dinosaur competitors can innovate their way into the modern era, then good on them.

1) a few of you calling USA a communist state, hahahaha. Seriously you might as well be calling dogs cats. The stretches some of you make just to come up with something new to say.

2) Trump is going after amazon NOT because Bezos is a lefty. If that were the case he'd go after many many other companies too in that regard. Trump is going after amazon for the same reason so many in america don't like amazon already... they are able to do everything cheaper and it's putting normal businesses, and employees, out of work.

Amazon is ONLY being hit though right now, on the fact that they aren't just "better" at doing things... THEY ARE IN FACT GIVEN HUGE DEALS WITH THE POSTAL SERVICE... dumb deals... deals that are fair in some ways but killing jobs in other smaller companies, and thus because Amazon is making so much money, the US Postal Service should be getting more money from them, as the USPS is having hard times money wise too.

Trump is only after them really for this reason, for right now anyway.

This isn't picking on amazon for political reasons... it's for the betterment of the country overall to slow down or even break up Amazon.

Similar to why we broke up ATT etc.

Only in amazon's case it's even worse because of the near monopoly they have on such a service. Market share anyway. This isn't like a netflix etc, it's an important aspect of our society that one company is massively dominating and given government tax breaks etc.

Normally i'm all for free market but they are just too big, regardless of the good they do for the businesses they aren't crushing.

Too big. Too powerful.

And no end in sight. They will only gain more power and market control.

Not into deciding a line of what is too big and powerful as a USA company, but I know it when i see it. This is one case in my opinion.

Trump, as usual, is right.

America isn’t communist? Well gee, no shit. The point of calling it communist is that it is equally absurd to blame rising tuition on capitalism.

OH it's communist without a doubt we do everything communists do. From setting monetary policy to bailing out failed enterprises to massive social welfare at every level (social security/schools/health care, etc x 1 million) l. Top to bottom communism. Only ignorant people that dont know about free US history (first 150 years) or communism think otherwise. But hey keep pretending we live in capitalism if it makes you feel better. You won't though. Boom and bust cycles and eventual unsustainable GDP/debt ratios will crash us like every other communist states crash. Have you guys looked at debt shooting to stratosphere last 20 years or so? We're supposed to have a booming economy and running a trillion dollar deficit. Get a clue. (then bug out spot)

Anyway gratz to Amazon for starving the beast and paying no taxes. Wish Congress would let us all do so.

Scary news for Trump - this guy is a NEVER TRUMPER republican but was head of NSA russian division so take for what it's worth....

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truth, NSA understood quite a bit about Trump’s connections to Moscow, and by mid-2016 it had increased its efforts to get to the bottom of the mystery regarding the candidate’s Russian ties. In response to urgent FBI requests for more information, NSA rose to the occasion, and by the time that Donald Trump officially accepted the Republican nomination in mid-July 2016, “We knew we had a Russian agent on our hands,” as a senior NSA official put it to me recently.

The official went on: “We had several reports in late 2015 and early 2016, mostly from Second and Third Party”—that being spy-speak for NSA’s foreign friends—“but by the spring of 2016 we had plenty of our own collection.” These reports, based on multiple intercepts, were tightly compartmented, that is, restricted to a small group of counterintelligence officials, given their obvious sensitivity, but they painted an indelible picture of a compromised GOP nominee. “The Kremlin talked about Trump like he was their boy, and their comments weren’t always flattering.” The NSA official stated that those above-top-secret reports left no doubt that the Russians were subverting our democracy in 2016—and that Team Trump was a witting participant in the Kremlin’s criminal conspiracy: “Trump and his kids knew what they were doing, and who they were doing it with,” the official explained.

http://observer.com/2018/05/what-did-the-fbi-do-in-2016-about-russian-connections-to-donald-trump/amp/

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Aim_Deep wrote:

OH it's communist without a doubt we do everything communists do.

Yes and no. It’s a trajectory, but we aren’t there yet. What we have is a splinter of socialism as Marx would define it. Like an abscess eating through the roots. PubEd is an indoctrination factory, property taxes make economic participation involuntary (i.e., a prison state), and what once championed wholesome free market goodness is now state sponsored corporatism (or corporate sponsored statism, different sides of the same coin). We have capitalism, but we aren’t a capitalist society. We have socialism nascent communism, but we’re neither a socialist nor communist society. More like, playing pretend between two straw effigies.

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CanHasPants wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

OH it's communist without a doubt we do everything communists do.

Yes and no. It’s a trajectory, but we aren’t there yet. What we have is a splinter of socialism as Marx would define it. Like an abscess eating through the roots. PubEd is an indoctrination factory, property taxes make economic participation involuntary (i.e., a prison state), and what once championed wholesome free market goodness is now state sponsored corporatism (or corporate sponsored statism, different sides of the same coin). We have capitalism, but we aren’t a capitalist society. We have socialism nascent communism, but we’re neither a socialist nor communist society. More like, playing pretend between two straw effigies.

Thing is even in communism you had the elites in dachas and above the law sorta here but state still controls everything.

Public Education are Communist indoctrination centers. My mom is a university professor and even says so. She cant even even fail students anymore without great upheaval in her career. Then we chain these people to debt for life with ridiculous student loans where people owe more than they borrowed after 20 years. I didnt go to college thankfully. College these days is for people who are not smart rather than smart (exception are engineering and banking stuff like that with union card so to speak to great careers but really smart ones get bored and dont finish Musk, Gates etc). Everything is upside down. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength Communism is capitalism.