Storywise Spoiler, Fall of Oriath (Act 6-10) Ruins the Wraeclast Exile Feel

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鬼殺し wrote:

The Shaper plot, now THAT is tacked on.

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adghar wrote:

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TheLiberation wrote:

Ummm... She wasn't killed? Unless there's something that I've missed. Hardly a big consolation, but... I guess by GGG story writing standards still about 10 tiers above "killed horribly".

Each time you met her, you could see her consciousness was being slowly subsumed, piece by piece, until the final time you meet her - at that point, the being called Nessa is no more, and her defiled husk is but a mere puppet for the Brine King.

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DER_PSYCHOPATH wrote:

You may be right about some characters, Liberation, but the old intro clearly mentioned the Witch kidnapping children. Later on she says things like "A pity! We could have been friends." to the Vaal Oversoul and "I loved your work, Piety. It was you, that I wasn't very fond of." (although on that note, I never quite understood why they did in fact not get along well).

The achievement for the Witch to kill Dominus is called "Usurper". The Witch doesn't actively go around helping people in need. It's either on a whim or to consolidate her power, and all the torture, slavery and human experiments and degradation are just parts of the society she's going to overtake, not things that should be changed or abolished. In line with the end of act 3, provided act 4 and onwards didn't happen, the Witch would have continued to experiment with implanting gems into people, pretty much like Malachai and Piety.

A lot of these things are reasons why I like the Witch, and why I also like the idea of going around to hunt gods to take their powers. Sadly, that last part turned out to be anticlimatic, especially when I learned, that there wouldn't be gods to hunt after act 10 (I guess they wouldn't want gods to be stronger than the big bad Kitava, but it makes even less sense if the stronger bosses are just some arbitrary powerful souls). In any case, killing Kitava felt more like a "I'll just do it before it gets annoying".

I would have loved some more class-specific stories, perhaps something equivalent to the labyrinth except more specialised, which would then also justify the ascendencies far better. The only one to actually be fit for the labyrinth would be - guess who - the Scion, who becomes the actual Ascendant.

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鬼殺し wrote:

That's the only part of it I don't find arbitrary. They've been building towards an Cthulhu-like scenario for years. Which is fine I guess but since this thread is about 'ruining the Wraeclast Exile feel' I think switching the playing field from Wraeclast to what is essentially 'Other Worlds' a la Gate destinations in Cthulhu Mythos, with the chance to actually *fight* the Elder Ones (instead of simply putting their arses back to sleep or, yknow, CLOSING THE FUCKING GATE)...that shit is ridiculously jarring to me.

Leave the Cthulhu stuff to the experts, GGG. You'll never outgun Chaosium or FFG when it comes to authentic Lovecraftian experiences in a game.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Which is fine I guess but since this thread is about 'ruining the Wraeclast Exile feel' I think switching the playing field from Wraeclast to what is essentially 'Other Worlds' a la Gate destinations in Cthulhu Mythos, with the chance to actually *fight* the Elder Ones (instead of simply putting their arses back to sleep or, yknow, CLOSING THE FUCKING GATE)...that shit is ridiculously jarring to me.