Why are we Ok with metas arbitrarily changing?

I don't personally mind the meta shifting - the double-dip offensive meta has been around for a long time in relative terms, it was time for a nerf. The thing that does annoy me is the way they nerf defenses - specifically, they tend to nerf them into the ground rather than a measured nerf.

I guess I think its good for the game if the dominant clearspeed strategies change over time and that basically requires a round of buffs/nerfs/tree changes etc. or ultimately we'll keep doing the same stuff. There are dozens of skill gems and combos with class/support/whatever so that if, say, poison blade flurry gets nerfed there's plenty of other stuff to rise up and take its place. Defense though, you have a much smaller pool of options so when one gets nerfed, the next best thing just rises in its place and 75% of the population starts running that instead of the old thing, which is reserved for hipsters. I don't understand why they can't keep the defense types close enough to balanced so that they're all relatively viable.

Its like the MoM nerf, they did that however many moons ago, nobody ever ran it after the change then this patch they brought it back. Or when Evasion was ubiquitous and they nerfed it and turned Ondar's Guile into that PoS Arrow Dancing node that absolutely nobody ever takes. There's got to be a way to do these adjustments in such a way that everything is good and nothing is godly. I honestly don't think that's possible or even desirable with the dps side of the game but I think its very much doable and desirable for survivability.

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gasparRB wrote:

I don't personally mind the meta shifting - the double-dip offensive meta has been around for a long time in relative terms, it was time for a nerf. The thing that does annoy me is the way they nerf defenses - specifically, they tend to nerf them into the ground rather than a measured nerf.

same here.

I'm not really okay with it. In my time here this is small list of nerfs I've delt with.

Mjolnir, Eldrich Battery, CI many times, VP many times, Shotgunning, Windripper, Juggernaut Endurance charge & Assassin crit ascendancy, Soul taker, voltaxic rift, Reach of the council, Consuming dark, Arc, Bino's. Kaoms heart, Lightning coil, CoD, Bringer of Rain, Void heart, Poison, Bleed, Shavs, Soul Strike, Mailgaros, facebreaker, Thnderfist, Discharge, CoC, Rumis, Taste of Hate, Vinktars, LL gem, Energy from within,


Fu ck it I could go on forever almost go-to unique or unique you really look forward to has been nerfed and almost every fun skill has been nerfed.

Who the fuck wants to play totems I mean really?

I bet after they take nerf bat to Zerker thats what will happen. Totems are super powerful because you can dodge shit while totems do your DPS. But it's lame.

Yeah, I'm not really... able... to come back to the game right now. I logged in and picked all my skills as per Low Life ES (previously pure CI). With all those nodes dedicated in certain directions, and all the gear I have invested in, I can't just... change my mind now that I have learned that Vaal Pact no longer works with ES, and no longer have a free respec because I already allocated my points without knowing.

That's really what sparked this thread. The topic has always bothered me. But right now, it's directly causing me to be unable to play my character. Because, what? A bunch of people QQ'd about ES being too strong? So why not buff Life, instead of bringing ES down? What kind of faulty design theory is that?

Ugh...

New league, new heroes, new builds, fresh start, no old currency/items. Right? Who cares that your standard (dumpster league) hero isn't OP anymore.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Some of us don't play to beat the game... we play to play. Doesn't matter if the meta changes. You can try something else.

Dumbest thing I have ever read on here, hands down.

I highly doubt that. I agree with him. My favorite character is still rocking the same CI gear because eventually the pendulum will swing the other way.

You are right Johny Snows comment also rivals Shagsbeards for the dumbest thing I have ever read on here. Shifting metas is one of the most asinine game decisions i have ever seen a company make.

Who ever thinks 99% of the builds should be useless and only 3-4 meta builds be viable every league to keep the game "fresh" is a fkin retarded morron.

Game doesn't go stale if all builds are viable, game becomes stale after you get burned out of those 3-4 viable builds and realize the next meta builds are boring as fuk compared to what you were used to.

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PayneK wrote:

Who ever thinks 99% of the builds should be useless and only 3-4 meta builds be viable every league to keep the game "fresh" is a fkin retarded morron.

Game doesn't go stale if all builds are viable, game becomes stale after you get burned out of those 3-4 viable builds and realize the next meta builds are boring as fuk compared to what you were used to.

Manye builds ARE viable. People are just too dumb to realize it. They see the 3 big streamers play the same shit over and over and assume that they have to copy it. That is how a narrow metagame is created. Doesn't mean it is the only thing out there. I have always played off meta builds the last leagues and farmed Shaper or whatever I wanted to farm just fine with them.

Also those proclaiming a company shouldn't intervene how the Meta works...that is how every card game and many other strategy games are designed. To be changed by divine intervention when things get stale. And you know that GGG drew a lot of inspiration from Magic the Gathering to create PoE, yeah? So it isn't too surprising they are copying such design mechanics as well.

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Burgingham wrote:

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PayneK wrote:

Who ever thinks 99% of the builds should be useless and only 3-4 meta builds be viable every league to keep the game "fresh" is a fkin retarded morron.

Game doesn't go stale if all builds are viable, game becomes stale after you get burned out of those 3-4 viable builds and realize the next meta builds are boring as fuk compared to what you were used to.

Manye builds ARE viable. People are just too dumb to realize it. They see the 3 big streamers play the same shit over and over and assume that they have to copy it. That is how a narrow metagame is created. Doesn't mean it is the only thing out there. I have always played off meta builds the last leagues and farmed Shaper or whatever I wanted to farm just fine with them.

Also those proclaiming a company shouldn't intervene how the Meta works...that is how every card game and many other strategy games are designed. To be changed by divine intervention when things get stale. And you know that GGG drew a lot of inspiration from Magic the Gathering to create PoE, yeah? So it isn't too surprising they are copying such design mechanics as well.

No no they dont. When twitch, reddit, you as a player, the Path of Exile Forums are not coming up with builds that use these certain things perceived weak there is a reason. When PoE podcasts are talking about how big of a mistake meta shifting and the ES nerfs were its a problem. The entire community isnt fucking retarded. Take that bullshit somewhere else.