Queen of the forest is busted and it trivializes lab runs

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

LOL crying about an item that literally has zero affect on you.

It's almost like people create interesting builds with the tools/items in game!

if you really think this is just about 1 item like the op i guess thinks it is. .. then god damn ... i dont know what to say i really dont.

Title literally says

"Queen of the forest is busted and it trivializes lab runs"

What would you do with the armour if you want its movement speed nerfed? that's the whole point of the thing. Do you see the video that guy posted with the super fast lab runner? He had 2k hp. I think it's fine to give him the benefit of move speed for sacrificing basically all the points he would have spent in life nodes.

I love QotF, I hate labyrinth. If this item gets wrecked because of this I will be a very sad non-meta baby.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

movement speed really should just be capped.

with the benifit of stacking queen of the forest being you dont need ms on the tree and you dont need qs flasks etc.

DPS should really be capped. The same with life. The same with item rarity, clear speed etc. Maybe add a cool down timer of 15 minutes between creating maps.

Movement speed bypassing trap damage is no worse than using movement skills for the same function. High DPS builds avoiding Izaro's damage by killing him quickly are bypassing game design, just like high block or other damage mitigating schemes.

Let the players play what they like - this is the beauty of Path of Exile - not the uniform nerf everything except current meta straight jacket.

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. Better yet, just raise the base move speed for everyone, and eliminate all buffs from the tree and items except for flasks. Job done.

Raise the base armor and evasion and attack speed and eliminate all buffs from the tree and items except for flasks. Job done?

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Stamina! add stamina - the faster you run the quicker your stamina goes off. Like with mana, the more intensive your spell casting is the quicker your mana is drained out.

Mana isn't drained based off of how fast you cast, but the replenishment can play a factor - until it is trivialized by the sheer amount of mana.

Just make sure to add stamina to attacks, so players have to wait for their attack stamina ball to replenish. Sounds like lots of fun.

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monkuar wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

LOL crying about an item that literally has zero affect on you.

It's almost like people create interesting builds with the tools/items in game!

if you really think this is just about 1 item like the op i guess thinks it is. .. then god damn ... i dont know what to say i really dont.

Title literally says

"Queen of the forest is busted and it trivializes lab runs"

the title did , my comment about movespeed did not . its called "broadening the topic".

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DalaiLama wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

movement speed really should just be capped.

with the benifit of stacking queen of the forest being you dont need ms on the tree and you dont need qs flasks etc.

DPS should really be capped. The same with life. The same with item rarity, clear speed etc. Maybe add a cool down timer of 15 minutes between creating maps.

Movement speed bypassing trap damage is no worse than using movement skills for the same function. High DPS builds avoiding Izaro's damage by killing him quickly are bypassing game design, just like high block or other damage mitigating schemes.

Let the players play what they like - this is the beauty of Path of Exile - not the uniform nerf everything except current meta straight jacket.

do people still believe shit happens in a vacuum ?

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hyper_ch wrote:

Trivialize lab runs? The traps aren't the problem... Izzy one-shot and the random disconnects since 3.0 are the problems...

One shots? have more than 5500-6k EHP for his normal hits and dont stand in his special attacks. Besides, you shoudl be killing him in like 2 seconds on the third phase.

As for DCing, I'm sorry it has happened to you, I would fking hate that...but I havnt had one DC in labs since 3.0 hit.


There's nothing broken about queen of the forest, or doing lab with it. Its a specialized build not to mention hard to get colors on it.


LOL @ capping dps, and crying for nerfs. Ya, lets homogenize everything and make the game super boring, there's the answer.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

anything that will hurt a fast moving player will hurt a normal player even more.

That's my fear/expectation too. No matter what 'solution' it would be - cap or diminishing or less possible options - it would have to scale down to any player's speed and affect/limit these even more.

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I find it a little sad that you think only speed runners move fast. its .. weirdly out of touch with reality.

I do not think this, that was just the focus of my argument.

Regardless asking for move speed nerfs is stupid, it has always been stupid in 2.6 when people kept begging for clear speed meta nerfs by people that didn't understand at all that it would only result in, DRUM ROLL A CLEAR SPEED META BECAUSE IT'S A META CREATED BY PLAYERS REGARDLESS OF THE STATE OF THE GAME.

Going faster than other players is impossible to nerf, if that makes me out of touch from reality then so be it.

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

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I find it a little sad that you think only speed runners move fast. its .. weirdly out of touch with reality.

I do not think this, that was just the focus of my argument.

let me be more blunt i am explicitly stating that the argument .. and yes even the op's argument is too narrow a topic when it is simply a symptom of a broader issue.

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Regardless asking for move speed nerfs is stupid, it has always been stupid in 2.6 when people kept begging for clear speed meta nerfs by people that didn't understand at all that it would only result in, DRUM ROLL A CLEAR SPEED META BECAUSE IT'S A META CREATED BY PLAYERS REGARDLESS OF THE STATE OF THE GAME.


Going faster than other players is impossible to nerf, if that makes me out of touch from reality then so be it.

impossible to nerf? lol what? that is like saying you are physically incapable of zipping up your pants to keep your dick from flopping around in public.

ggg has >TOTAL< control of their game , much like you have total control of your hands to zip up your pants.

they can and should address the rather large discrepancies on mobility options between classes.

the clear speed meta was driven by the players .. but it was enabled by ggg. it was enabled when they added more and more viable movement skills with no down side, it was enabled when phase run was replaced with quick silver flasks , it was enabled again when they added queen of the forest and all of the evasions stacking flasks. it was enabled again when they added even more evasion stacking options , it was enabled AGAIN when they buffed evasion.

You act like this all came from no where . it didnt all roads really do lead back to GGG because the meta comes ultimately from balance choices they make.

speed runners exist. why? because ggg either knowingly or unknowingly put the tools in to make them exist.

clear speed became the meta. why? because ggg provided us with the tools to make it exist.

cause and effect. anyone who has play long enough can see in painful detail where all of this shit came from. and it wasn't from a unicorn

it came directly from ggg. they created it , and they can murder it. the question is if , when and/or how.

soooo my question is

What happened to the King of the forest???