"Crimson Dance" keystone mechanic

the keystone seems pretty bad to me, i think its only purpose is to make bleed useful for fast attackers (still worse than poison) or melee that only want to facetank, the rest of the time the need to stack up to 6 before you seen any damage increase is going to kill its viability.

I suspect the less bleed damage mod will get tuned down or removed at a later date as currently its just a confusing keystone

You have 400k+ dps which of 2k is bleed.

320k shaper dps with 1.3k bleed

But ok if we look at the 6 stages BF and nto the release before release state it gives you 3k bleed on average, that's like 24k bleed DPS in total, is it worth to invest on the tree any points to get this? No, you could spec out of every bleed node and lose no real dmg at all.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

the keystone seems pretty bad to me, i think its only purpose is to make bleed useful for fast attackers (still worse than poison) or melee that only want to facetank, the rest of the time the need to stack up to 6 before you seen any damage increase is going to kill its viability.

I suspect the less bleed damage mod will get tuned down or removed at a later date as currently its just a confusing keystone

This keystone works well in my build, www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1951094, but the question is, what happens after 8 stacks are aoolied already? will the higher damage hit re apply over the stacks? Only this i need to know now :D

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krenderke wrote:

You have 400k+ dps which of 2k is bleed.

320k shaper dps with 1.3k bleed

But ok if we look at the 6 stages BF and nto the release before release state it gives you 3k bleed on average, that's like 24k bleed DPS in total, is it worth to invest on the tree any points to get this? No, you could spec out of every bleed node and lose no real dmg at all.

Oh ye lets calculate channeling skill dps xD pob calcs are shit, and those build not gonna work wo all bleed nodes and everything i need to now, what happens after 8 stacks, simple as that.

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Little_MessPM wrote:

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krenderke wrote:

You have 400k+ dps which of 2k is bleed.

320k shaper dps with 1.3k bleed

But ok if we look at the 6 stages BF and nto the release before release state it gives you 3k bleed on average, that's like 24k bleed DPS in total, is it worth to invest on the tree any points to get this? No, you could spec out of every bleed node and lose no real dmg at all.

Oh ye lets calculate channeling skill dps xD pob calcs are shit, and those build not gonna work wo all bleed nodes and everything i need to now, what happens after 8 stacks, simple as that.

Well then do you assume you deal like half of your dmg with bleed?

I mean that is a level 99 tree with 100% perfect rolled items (in poebuilder), you can kill shaper it is fine, but I still think you deal no dmg with bleed at all, mostly because you have a lot of small hits not slow large ones.

Even on my highly stilized barrage marauder plan tree where I have 100% perf items and 13 projectiles, 2mill shaper dps, I deal 2.7k dmg with bleed because I hit 7000 times per sec for really small amounts, BF is doing the same.

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krenderke wrote:

Well then do you assume you deal like half of your dmg with bleed?

there is no point to do it, in build atleast, and im killing shaper with not perfect geat etc, it dosent metter IN THIS THREAD, i want to know, what happens after 8 stacks, if i hit higher damage hit, whould it re apply stack of bleed, omg ffs stop yeling about bleed, if u dont know just say that!

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Little_MessPM wrote:

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krenderke wrote:

Well then do you assume you deal like half of your dmg with bleed?

there is no point to do it, in build atleast, and im killing shaper with not perfect geat etc, it dosent metter IN THIS THREAD, i want to know, what happens after 8 stacks, if i hit higher damage hit, whould it re apply stack of bleed, omg ffs stop yeling about bleed, if u dont know just say that!

Fair enought, sorry for disrupting the discussion, it is up to you to waste passive points however you want, I won't bother you again.

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krenderke wrote:

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Little_MessPM wrote:

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krenderke wrote:

Well then do you assume you deal like half of your dmg with bleed?

there is no point to do it, in build atleast, and im killing shaper with not perfect geat etc, it dosent metter IN THIS THREAD, i want to know, what happens after 8 stacks, if i hit higher damage hit, whould it re apply stack of bleed, omg ffs stop yeling about bleed, if u dont know just say that!

Fair enought, sorry for disrupting the discussion, it is up to you to waste passive points however you want, I won't bother you again.

Ty sir!

/summon GGG

seems nobody knows(