Abyssus in 3.0

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LowBudget780 wrote:

Abyssus is an awesome item if you build your defenses around it and a terrible item if you don't. The fact that it's getting nerfed is fuckin dumb.

Yeah, it was quite balanced unique. It granted you power, but had severe drawback...

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grepman wrote:

even on HC, its manageable if you micromanage maps/content and are fine with taking it off for some heavy hitting phys boss encounters.

I personally consider it a noob trap on HC. No matter how careful you play and how skilled you are, at times shit happens unpredictably, and you also can't be 100% focused and perfect.
Even with mass endu charges always up, it's hell of a risky vs reflect, and benefits of the high damage are overwhelmed by the downsides in general.

Just a personal opinion.

Anyway, I don't play the beta, but if this item is going to get nerfed, it will be a great mistake. ATM it's a well balanced item.

personally im too defense obsessed, I would never use it with that downside. I feel like it needed the nerf though because a lot of people did use it and it was fairly insane in terms of dps if thats what ur after.

Crit in general is just too strong.

I never understood why they buffed so much its crit multip, it was already balanced imo
well, it seems they like legacy items

With my playstyle it's not even usable in softcore if you want to level over the 90s where the 10% starts to hurt. Too many sudden death encounters, you'll need a lightning coil at least.

But it's the other way around - use it for elemental bosses where its downside doesn't matter.

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LowBudget780 wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

personally im too defense obsessed, I would never use it with that downside. I feel like it needed the nerf though because a lot of people did use it and it was fairly insane in terms of dps if thats what ur after.

Crit in general is just too strong.

You feel like the item needs a nerf because it's something you would never use due to it's downsides, that's some real POE forum balance logic right there.

thats fuckin brilliant, first time in years ive literally lol'd at a forum post

The point of abyssus is its a situational item, dont wear it on minotaur for example, but go for it on the hydra, its a mahoosive DPS boost with a huge downside if used in the wrong places

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LowBudget780 wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

personally im too defense obsessed, I would never use it with that downside. I feel like it needed the nerf though because a lot of people did use it and it was fairly insane in terms of dps if thats what ur after.

Crit in general is just too strong.

You feel like the item needs a nerf because it's something you would never use due to it's downsides, that's some real POE forum balance logic right there.

the logic is fine

you not being able to understand theres a difference between personal playstyle preference and overall impact on the game, is more of a problem. some people can manage downsides of items/concepts, some cannot or do not want to. separating personal preferences and your own self-interest in playing a certain way from overall impact on the game, is key to balance.

for example, snorkle has also said he doesnt like downside on VP life-based builds and usually doesnt play them. this has nothing to do with VP's power (because we all know its still strong as fuck on life builds), but everything to do with his playstyle.

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torturo wrote:

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grepman wrote:

even on HC, its manageable if you micromanage maps/content and are fine with taking it off for some heavy hitting phys boss encounters.

I personally consider it a noob trap on HC. No matter how careful you play and how skilled you are, at times shit happens unpredictably, and you also can't be 100% focused and perfect.
Even with mass endu charges always up, it's hell of a risky vs reflect, and benefits of the high damage are overwhelmed by the downsides in general.

Just a personal opinion.

Anyway, I don't play the beta, but if this item is going to get nerfed, it will be a great mistake. ATM it's a well balanced item.

no I agree, the risk in HC is probably not warranted because one slip up is death potential

basically you forget to swap it out, forget to see map is vuln/extra damage, etc

for high end content, all but minotaur are doable with abyssus. chimera gets tricky with some bad mods. uber trio is deadly ofc and so is uber's spear

but something like shaper is just begging to use abyssus tho

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LowBudget780 wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

personally im too defense obsessed, I would never use it with that downside. I feel like it needed the nerf though because a lot of people did use it and it was fairly insane in terms of dps if thats what ur after.

Crit in general is just too strong.

You feel like the item needs a nerf because it's something you would never use due to it's downsides, that's some real POE forum balance logic right there.

do you see the use of the word though in the post you quoted? The word though when used in that context carries the same meaning as "..despite this..", indicating that the opinion being given is given despite the previous information seeming to indicate otherwise.

What this means is that I have said that I feel the item should be nerfed despite it being something I would never use due to its downside, which is the complete opposite of saying it should be nerfed because I would never use it due to its downside. I then actually use the word because, meaning what I am about to say is the reason I think it should be nerfed, and then I give a reason.

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LowBudget780 wrote:

it completed flew over my head.

obviously.

From Abyssus to Abyssuseless.