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Lol it's a beta, why do you care? I have only sold my beta keys and bought like 80 fg of orbs. Considering I can get 10kfg in 1 month...

Hard to get items the way it's intended when you're falsely accused of being a scammer by the grandpa crew

Hello enshin. Please add me to your list of convicted criminals, cheaters and horrible people.

Thanks in advance

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Octantis wrote:

If not d2jsp I'll never heard of game called Path of Exile

For my part i really do not care where or how you heard of a free game called PoE.
And going to the point that "it's good advertising" ... lol man, it's a free game after all.

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Octantis wrote:

About paying real money to get advatange over someone
oh well I guess you didn't heard that there will be possiblity to buy PoE Items for Real money on THIS site?

You're wrong, because all you will be able to buy will be COSMETIC changes which dont allow you to get advatange over someone else.
So your point/argument on this matter is null/void.

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servvs wrote:

Think about it for a second, is it "cheating" to go to a bank and cash a check?

That is a stupid comparison and everybody knows it.
People, please stop compare apples to pears.
Another void argument.

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Dentata wrote:

What is required here is a statement from someone from GGG that gives their position on the use of external currencies like d2jsp forum gold in their game. My understanding, from the reading of a few posts following a search of this topic, is that this violates their concept of "ethical transactions." I'm not sure, however, that this is the case.

I have my own opinion on the subject, but that is not what is needed here at the moment. What is needed is a clear statement of policy. If it is permitted, then allow people to trade items for forum gold openly in global chat. State clearly what currencies are allowed or not allowed. If it is not permitted, give us a clear process for reporting violators.

If you have the ability to attract the attention of someone from GGG to this thread, I urge you to do so. Having people fight over this issue without clear guidance will only lead to needless acrimony.

+100000. This is absolutely necessary.

Not judging is it (d2jsp etc) good or not (personally i think such sites ruin game - 0 got to hero couse he made currency at some other game) i dont see way to stop it. If it will be restricted and be sanctioned by PoE acc's bans one who still want trade outside PoE will just make new acc where he put single item/s for one trade only.


Only way would help fighting with it (as with possible future cheaters) would be making acc signed not to email but to your unique cpu/system name (alot ppls have mobile ip so that thing would be alot better). Then rule u can have only acc per cpu and when u get permban you have to get new one :). Just dunno tech and law possibilities for that one... And still would be needed some admins with acces to rainbow of jsp accounts (with various date of create, fg, number of posts - and had to have other ones when old covers're "burned") for making provocations.

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pttw wrote:

Only way would help fighting with it (as with possible future cheaters) would be making acc signed not to email but to your unique cpu/system name

You can't do that; anyone who upgrades their PC is locked out of their account, that'd be crazy.

And with the amount of different places and ways for people to contact each other on the internet, paying people to stalk trading forums and the like is just throwing money away. GGG may by all means end up having a policy against external trading, but they should be sensible enough to understand that such a policy is unenforcable. Devoting resources to that battle, resources that could be going toward actually improving the game, would be a huge waste.

I also would like to say that I use d2jsp snd while it used to be somewhat of a botting website, it has become much better over the past few years, and is mainly just another option to trade, for people who dont have the time to use the in game trading systems. If it wasnt for jsp, I wouldnt have been playing certain games, because of the limited trading options in the games.

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servvs wrote:

Nothing in the game has been broken. Economy isn't ruined. What negative affect on the game did this action have? Please enlighten me

What about andrade's concerns?

People being used to a d2jsp internal economy, may value POE items/currency different to others.

Also it looks like it is possible to buy d2jsp forumgold with real money via the forumstore (I read the sites FAQ). So while valuable equip still has to be found by someone ingame (and is not created by a shop on demand), a d2jsp user could still spend his reallife earnings to buy d2jsp forumgold to trade for POE items offered by other d2jsp users - could he not?
Thus he would be able to acquire equip without submitting to POE currency himself (besides the influence POE economy may have on d2jsp as well).

A influence of d2jsp economy on POE seems obvious.
Arguably this either has a negative effect or not.

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enshin wrote:

I refer to cheats in the sense that there is use of something not within the POE game itself(forumgold), used to purchase ingame items.

'Cheat' sounds a bit harsh. Even though enshin states the context the word is used in, it still seems to hint a cheat as a violation of rules.
I've not been able to find any policy regarding this issue in the Terms of Use.
If any POE-related policy is negatively affected could be officially declared by Grinding Gear Games.

Edit: Any time now a RMA suggestion is about to drop in :p

mombutu u said it is free game at all and you don't care of more ppl who play it thanks to jsp, so why u care of ppl who just trade on d2jsp?
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Even if it will be not allowed to use jsp, so what about hundreds of sites like ebay??
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About account per ip -> It is 30 seconds to switch ip.
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and imo item which belong to me is my and I can do with him whatever and whenever I want.


For those who are aganist d2jsp, you'll not change your opion till you try it out. All should check both sides till they something.

I'm very certain the trade system GGG will be implementing will allow us to trade things outside the game...like literally via the website. If you think about it they have an interface that accurately represents what is on our character atm, and they also mentioned the trade system will be 'fully integrated' with the website. This makes me think trading will be able to happen without even having to enter the game itself.

The hate towards jsp is pretty unwarranted; the community there is really good aside from a few bad apples (which usually get weeded out anyways), but tbh I don't think we will need forum gold with the planned trade system.

The issue has nothing to do with the quality of the community there or the previous promotion of cheat software.

It's a simple issue, really. PoE is meant to be played within the limits of how it's designed. D2JSP goes outside these limits and allows players to trade a variety of outside elements to gain elements inside PoE. This is not how the game is designed. Therefore, using FG to purchase items in PoE should be considered cheating. Granted, there's not much that can be done about it, but that doesn't mean it should be condoned and certainly doesn't mean it should be encouraged. It degrades economies in games and leads to things like D3's RMAH.

As testers and future players, shouldn't we be supporting GGG by playing their game the way they design it instead of going behind their backs and using a 3rd-party currency that skews the game's economy?