Pro Choice or Pro Life. Both sides have convincing arguments...
"Doesn't surprise me at all. At the individual level folks have lots of nuanced positions that don't fit with the usual way of presenting both pro life and pro choice. My position is that a woman should be able to choose, but that decision should be made within the first 12-14 weeks. But I am not a woman and it is mostly none of my business unless asked to contribute to the conversation.. "Gratitude is wine for the soul. Go on. Get drunk." Rumi
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Celibacy > Procreation > Sterilization > Adoption > Abortion
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I'm against second- and third-trimster abortions unless a licensed, certified medical doctor determines that carrying the child to a live birth poses a significant risk to the mother's life. The definition of "significant" here is somewhat debatable. I would support legislation that mandates screening by such a doctor within the first trimester, with a penalty of illegalizing abortions even under such circumstances if the screening doesn't occur (no fine or jail time necessary for missed screening, Murder 1 for illegal abortion).
I'm for legalized at-whim first-trimester abortions. I'm not any more against government subsidy of such procedures for the poor than I am against subsidy of medical procedures in general. I'd be inclined to subsidize first-trimester pregnancy screenings for everyone, regardless of income; same deal for abortions where pregnancy significantly threatens the life of the mother. I would support legislation that loans abortion money to pregnant women who claim they've been raped, and full abortion cost reimbursement to such victims in the event of a conviction. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jun 1, 2017, 3:42:03 AM
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" Almost agree with you but throwing someone in jail for illegal abortion just makes them try to hide it more. They should be fined tho. |
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I'm "pro-choice" as long as people don't sugercoat it and are aware of the fact that they are murdering a human being.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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By the way, under current conditions about 90% of abortions occur in the first trimester; however, there are still about 90,000 abortions per year in the US that I consider immoral (99% of the second and third-trimester abortions, as risking the life of the mother is a less than 1% occurrence). We can do better and virtually eliminate abortions after the first trimester, with less than 1000 per year US, almost all medically necessary, as an achievable goal. (source)
If you're pro-life and refuse to accept the realpolitik of this, you're a fool. For fuck's sake, SarahAustin mostly agrees with it. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jun 1, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
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" Is it murder when there is no heartbeat? |
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" 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, due to the extremely imperfect nature of development. 80% of these happen in the first trimester. Ignoring the nonsensical idea that a developing bundle of tissue mass is a human being which can only be validated by claiming a religiously based value system over a medical based system, murder in this instance is just an emotional argument that is ultimately without basis. For my own part, fully support abortion for the first trimester. Actually, I would say I pretty much agree with Scrotes McGoats up there. Last edited by BodyHammer01#3364 on Jun 1, 2017, 11:43:38 AM
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" I'm pretty sure better education standards and healthcare (including contraception) affordability would help to some extent. It's crazy that we have people not knowing they are pregnant by their second or third trimester, which is really the only reason I could assume that people would decide to have an abortion at that point. The first trimester seems like an arbitrary cutoff but that's kind of why there's a debate in the first place. There is not objective distinction (other than birth) that differentiates the fetus from being alive as its own being vs being a part of the mother. I would say viability outside of the mother would be a better metric but that's not really objective either. Anyway, thanks for the link. Last edited by DurianMcgregor#7045 on Jun 1, 2017, 11:46:40 AM
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" I would pick 24 weeks as the arbitrary cutoff where babies born prematurely do have some decent chance of survival outside the mother's womb. |
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