[solved] got vdsl 50mbit - strange kind of "latency freezes"

i am having similar issues, and i checked everything and done almost nothing. Because there are so many things to check. I am not a tech guy to deal with all those things and i am not dealing with those things on other games.

I thing GGG should take a serious look for all those errors and must work out most of them. If there were only a few things to check i would check them and make them but since there is a lot i think a player shouldnt have to deal with this. i am looking at you GGG, this issue is more important than anything. i would take Price Fix issues, double dip issues, one shot issues etc. over this anytime.

If these problems wouldnt occur i would play with a 3k life build and would clear most of the content just by dodging attacks, but since you cant trust your dodging skills with this issue and game is accualy build to use such player skills, game becomes tasteless for us. So thats why people whining about 1 shot kills or death penalties etc.
Last edited by anum11#1675 on Apr 28, 2017, 8:22:04 PM
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anum11 wrote:
i am having similar issues, and i checked everything and done almost nothing. Because there are so many things to check. I am not a tech guy to deal with all those things and i am not dealing with those things on other games.

I thing GGG should take a serious look for all those errors and must work out most of them. If there were only a few things to check i would check them and make them but since there is a lot i think a player shouldnt have to deal with this. i am looking at you GGG, this issue is more important than anything. i would take Price Fix issues, double dip issues, one shot issues etc. over this anytime.

If these problems wouldnt occur i would play with a 3k life build and would clear most of the content just by dodging attacks, but since you cant trust your dodging skills with this issue and game is accualy build to use such player skills, game becomes tasteless for us. So thats why people whining about 1 shot kills or death penalties etc.



You know why tech support section exists? Because there are millions of different hardware/software configurations, unless you see pages and pages and countless topics of same issue being described - chances are the fault is on your end. I think you should think less, clearly it's not working out for you.
Not only did you just randomly spammed someone's topic, you really did not give any details on your problem other than just random rows of slur.
aka:my stuff is not working, ggg fix it.
No rest for the wicked.
Hi.

First off the following is in my situation and every situation is different, but i hope it helps.

I have 2x Fritz 7490 ( different i know ) and vdsl2 @ 50 or 30 ish and am running on i7 6700k/16/ssd/970 + 8120/32/ssd/970 and an imac5k/i5/m390 and can more or less replicate your situation on demand depending on how i set up the fritz's.

First off dont play POE on that imac it is horrid and unsupported ( it is rage inducing )

I can truthfully say over the years i have tested the hell out of every combination of hardware/software etc and even 3rd party known good routers the fritz box's have also been tested at a 2nd site(all good).

I switch regularly between 2 vdsl setups on the fritz's

The only common factor was the fritz! router if i was using a non default setup.

1 ISP provided and unmodified router config.
locked down
33/8 ish
40 ms ish ingame

2 Edited config. unsupported, isp and fritz
55/9 ish
60 ms ish ingame

I use the 2nd option because 55 is better that 33 and just live with it.

1 is rock solid for EVERYTHING including POE unless someone is using netflix, any and all other abuses of the connection plays well with POE.

2 is more or less 100% guaranteed to have issues every few min no matter what, even with no other obvious traffic.

In my case i can put the issue down to me messing/tweaking my settings in an abusive and unsupported way.

My only recommendation/thought is to set your options under internet > DSL Information > Line settings to Maximum Stability and/or try a different router.

Then call you ISP and ask for a vdsl port reset. ( or what ever they call it )

I wouldn't put this down as a ggg issue at all more an obscure annoying client end one.

It could also be a million other things also :/

If i can help please let me know.
* i've already tested the "Maximum Stability" setting on my fritzbox
* i couldn't get my hands on another box but i'll see what i can do
* i'm currently trying different realms and i'm running WinMTR to this locations

My overall average to milan is Ok but i'm having some spikes to 130-140ms. Still having that freeze/login screen problem ingame.

Milan Mtr:
https://nopaste.xyz/?65b87683f72a0d92#sImJjMfOmPCHer8k1fi4HFZFpogVzzcyDTuIHtTSfgY=

Edit:
I could use the fritzbox as modem and for router stuff an pcengines apu2c4 board with opnsense. Maybe i try that just to rule out the fritzbox.
Last edited by loardpcm#1572 on Apr 29, 2017, 6:09:00 AM
Still the same shit. Doesn't matter on which realm i play. Getting this disconnects still. No answer from GGG.

2017/04/22 17:16:54 898135000 951 [INFO Client 1404] : Error: Failed to join instance because: Disconnected from server.
2017/04/22 17:23:45 898546031 951 [INFO Client 1404] : Error: Failed to join instance because: Disconnected from server.
2017/04/23 00:32:50 924290640 25d [INFO Client 7732] Abnormal disconnect: Failed to connect to instance
2017/04/23 09:51:57 957837906 24b [INFO Client 5428] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/23 09:52:36 957877125 24b [INFO Client 5428] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 19:14:42 1078003328 437 [INFO Client 5004] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 19:32:51 1079091468 437 [INFO Client 5476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 19:49:11 1080071562 437 [INFO Client 5476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 19:54:10 1080371312 437 [INFO Client 5476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 20:41:46 1083226953 437 [INFO Client 7784] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 21:07:00 1084740843 437 [INFO Client 7784] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 21:10:23 1084944421 437 [INFO Client 7784] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 21:21:24 1085600640 24b [INFO Client 6040] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 21:51:30 1087406359 437 [INFO Client 6040] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 21:57:01 1087738062 437 [INFO Client 6040] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 22:06:35 1088311906 437 [INFO Client 6040] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 22:57:29 2804718 437 [INFO Client 5228] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:01:11 3026765 437 [INFO Client 5228] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:01:49 3065281 437 [INFO Client 5228] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:02:16 3091875 24b [INFO Client 6300] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:02:23 3098625 24b [INFO Client 6300] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:02:25 3101171 24b [INFO Client 6300] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:02:30 3106609 24b [INFO Client 6300] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:03:07 3143609 24b [INFO Client 6300] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:06:56 3372515 437 [INFO Client 6300] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:08:28 3463750 24b [INFO Client 5688] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/24 23:08:51 3487531 24b [INFO Client 5688] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/25 18:49:48 74344093 24b [INFO Client 6416] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/25 21:27:34 83810593 437 [INFO Client 468] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/25 22:00:08 85763953 24b [INFO Client 1884] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/25 22:00:38 85793656 24b [INFO Client 1884] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/26 20:00:40 164994093 24b [INFO Client 3524] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/26 20:02:18 165091484 437 [INFO Client 4988] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/26 20:28:55 166688359 437 [INFO Client 5604] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/26 20:45:07 167660281 437 [INFO Client 6736] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/26 20:52:36 168109312 437 [INFO Client 6736] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/26 21:03:55 168788578 437 [INFO Client 6736] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/26 22:12:20 172893531 951 [INFO Client 3400] #PewPewRaiderNeverDies: wtf... disconnect map weg
2017/04/26 23:50:44 178797843 24b [INFO Client 4000] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/26 23:51:24 178837468 24b [INFO Client 4000] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 20:26:30 1537546 24b [INFO Client 1336] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 20:41:47 2453984 437 [INFO Client 1336] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 20:46:41 2747890 437 [INFO Client 1336] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 20:50:58 3005578 437 [INFO Client 1336] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 20:53:39 3165921 437 [INFO Client 1336] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 20:55:19 3266187 437 [INFO Client 1336] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 22:06:31 7536546 437 [INFO Client 3380] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 22:13:11 7936406 437 [INFO Client 3380] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 22:31:30 9034703 437 [INFO Client 3740] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 22:33:14 9139093 437 [INFO Client 3740] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 22:35:47 9292546 437 [INFO Client 3740] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 23:02:13 10877703 437 [INFO Client 5924] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 23:11:15 11420359 437 [INFO Client 5156] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 23:14:14 11598718 437 [INFO Client 5156] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 23:16:15 11720500 437 [INFO Client 5156] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 23:18:20 11845468 437 [INFO Client 5156] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/27 23:21:34 12038812 437 [INFO Client 5156] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 18:31:48 81052750 24b [INFO Client 6692] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 18:33:53 81178218 437 [INFO Client 6692] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 19:00:15 82760140 437 [INFO Client 1288] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 19:35:36 84880656 437 [INFO Client 6476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 19:43:57 85382328 437 [INFO Client 6476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 20:23:45 87770046 437 [INFO Client 6476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 20:27:58 88022718 437 [INFO Client 6476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 20:29:08 88093296 437 [INFO Client 6476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 20:30:36 88181375 437 [INFO Client 6476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 20:33:54 88378812 437 [INFO Client 6476] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 22:51:40 96645281 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 23:11:49 97854359 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 23:30:29 98974203 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 23:35:30 99275000 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 23:38:40 99465265 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 23:42:21 99685703 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/28 23:53:16 100341453 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 00:13:58 101583515 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 00:18:44 101869093 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 00:33:56 102781562 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 00:48:30 103655078 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 01:06:25 104730406 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 01:24:02 105787000 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 01:24:12 105796718 951 [INFO Client 2792] #<THC> sir_smoke_a_lot: sorry disconnect
2017/04/29 01:33:56 106381546 437 [INFO Client 2792] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 01:34:09 106394156 951 [INFO Client 2792] #<THC> sir_smoke_a_lot: diese disconnects machen mich fertig
2017/04/29 01:44:17 107001937 951 [INFO Client 2792] #<THC> sir_smoke_a_lot: in der client.txt steht abnormal disconnect wenn ich fliege
2017/04/29 01:45:04 107049046 951 [INFO Client 2792] #<THC> sir_smoke_a_lot: [INFO Client 5684] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 10:03:18 136943156 24b [INFO Client 7388] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 10:04:00 136984765 24b [INFO Client 7388] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 10:57:34 140198890 437 [INFO Client 7460] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 17:28:14 163636437 437 [INFO Client 2860] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 19:47:18 171980609 437 [INFO Client 3172] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 19:53:54 172376203 437 [INFO Client 3172] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/29 22:00:30 179972437 437 [INFO Client 3456] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 00:03:23 187345031 437 [INFO Client 6152] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 00:06:34 187535921 437 [INFO Client 6152] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 10:01:16 223218093 24b [INFO Client 4564] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 14:17:02 238564812 437 [INFO Client 5352] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 14:33:09 239531546 437 [INFO Client 5352] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 14:41:49 240051062 25d [INFO Client 5352] Abnormal disconnect: Failed to connect to instance
2017/04/30 14:47:01 240363062 25d [INFO Client 5352] Abnormal disconnect: Failed to connect to instance
2017/04/30 18:01:09 252010968 437 [INFO Client 3884] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 18:04:40 252222718 437 [INFO Client 3884] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 19:20:49 256791515 437 [INFO Client 7600] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 22:03:38 266559859 25d [INFO Client 8180] Abnormal disconnect: Failed to connect to instance
2017/04/30 22:16:52 267354109 437 [INFO Client 8180] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 22:39:28 268710625 437 [INFO Client 8180] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 23:06:16 148687 437 [INFO Client 5008] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/04/30 23:57:04 3197515 437 [INFO Client 1512] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/05/01 00:12:04 4097437 437 [INFO Client 1512] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/05/01 00:16:59 4391687 437 [INFO Client 1512] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/05/01 00:18:33 4486468 437 [INFO Client 1512] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/05/01 00:32:02 5295453 437 [INFO Client 1512] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/05/01 09:55:12 39085562 24b [INFO Client 5564] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/05/01 09:55:20 39092968 24b [INFO Client 5564] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/05/01 09:55:51 39124593 24b [INFO Client 5564] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.
2017/05/01 09:58:05 39258218 437 [INFO Client 5564] Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred.

This is no fun at all.

I connect i stand in my fucking hideout AND I'M GETTING DISCONNECTED. This wasn't even 3 minutes connected.
Last edited by loardpcm#1572 on May 1, 2017, 4:10:16 AM
ndorphin
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I wouldn't put this down as a ggg issue at all more an obscure annoying client end one.

It could also be a million other things also :/

How not to put it on GGG when it is SAME pattern for so many people
""" Abnormal disconnect: An unexpected disconnection occurred """
Everyone tested their connection ,same as me .
Other online games work perfect , i have 52 stable ping in Dota 2 with no spikes ,
didnt disconected once in months,how come only POE has server spikes?
And your telling me dont put it on GGG?
Servers are damn bad since close beta and only getting worse.

But hey 3.0 beta coming soon , get those wallets ready for the beta keys!!!

I have 783 builds in my poe.planner
I played 3 of those in the last 2 years
Please more 1 shot mechanics so
i reduce it to 1 . Thank you.
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Daiena wrote:
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anum11 wrote:
i am having similar issues, and i checked everything and done almost nothing. Because there are so many things to check. I am not a tech guy to deal with all those things and i am not dealing with those things on other games.

I thing GGG should take a serious look for all those errors and must work out most of them. If there were only a few things to check i would check them and make them but since there is a lot i think a player shouldnt have to deal with this. i am looking at you GGG, this issue is more important than anything. i would take Price Fix issues, double dip issues, one shot issues etc. over this anytime.

If these problems wouldnt occur i would play with a 3k life build and would clear most of the content just by dodging attacks, but since you cant trust your dodging skills with this issue and game is accualy build to use such player skills, game becomes tasteless for us. So thats why people whining about 1 shot kills or death penalties etc.



You know why tech support section exists? Because there are millions of different hardware/software configurations, unless you see pages and pages and countless topics of same issue being described - chances are the fault is on your end. I think you should think less, clearly it's not working out for you.
Not only did you just randomly spammed someone's topic, you really did not give any details on your problem other than just random rows of slur.
aka:my stuff is not working, ggg fix it.


its not on my end. there are pages of same topics with same issues. also i dont have any problem with any other game or website. this game has shit performance. they need to maintain their servers and put more servers to handle capacity. then, optimaze game more, they are going for china and xbox but i dont see the possiblity of they are handling more players with current state of game. They will just keep losing players.
This was first game for me to have such problems.(if i dont count the times i play UO, but that times i know my connection was shit because internet was new on our country. Just because you dont have the problem doesnt means there is no problem on GGG's end. You are just another idiot who thinks to know more than an almost 20 years of online gamer.
I enabled "use previous dsl version" (Vorherige DSL-Version verwenden) on my fritzbox, i did 5 maps on amsterdam without disconnect. As i understood it uses an older fritbox software to connect. I still had 3x the effect that i was unable to move and the actions taken meanwhile where repeated after ~3seconds. But no disconnects.

I'll test further.

Edit: still happening
Last edited by loardpcm#1572 on May 1, 2017, 8:17:11 AM
Ok, first things first... everyone who posts a "me too" reply, please start a new thread instead. You're not helping the OP resolve his issue, and instead making things worse by leading him and others to assume this is some common issue for users. Technical Support forum is for troubleshooting, not reporting bugs or posting feedback to GGG.

Second: OP, because of your recent ISP connection speed switch, you're assuming this issue is due to that. It could be bad timing and a coincidence instead. Also, because you know a fair amount about connectivity, you're troubleshooting from that viewpoint. But nothing we see in the WinMTR indicates any issue, so time to move on from blaming your ISP or GGG's servers. And on that note, dropped packets from an access point or the servers could just be due to packet prioritization (not responding to every ping request, but transferring real data just fine).

So, let's take a look at your system...

Please run DXDiag for system info. Use a service such as http://pastebin.com to copy and paste your info, then link it here. Guide: http://tinyurl.com/dxdiag-info-guide.
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Last edited by cipher_nemo#6436 on May 1, 2017, 9:12:10 AM
DxDiag: https://pastebin.com/N2FjNdSp

I don't think its bad timing. Its most certainly due to provider switch. Don't get me wrong i appreciate all help but i played guite a _lot_ during legacy with my old provider where i didn't have any issues. I even played the weekend before the switch.

I'm running my fritzbox on "previous dsl version" and "maximum stablity" now. I did ~10 maps and got disconnected _once_. Where in case i normaly don't run 3 maps without disconnect. One thing i noticed due to all 10 maps i played on Frankfurt is that i have 20ms ping and on the intance i got kicked i had 32ms ping (also on Frankfurt). Next map was fine with 20ms again.

On a side note: why do i get connected to Frankfurt realm when i choose paris?

Edit: Just happend 4 times on one map and now i got disconnected standing in my HO.
Last time i've seen such packet drops from a network device it was a crappy IPS.
Last edited by loardpcm#1572 on May 1, 2017, 10:46:36 AM

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