flask Macros legality, a constructive thread to clarify the answer

you know i hope one of GGG team will read this thoroughly

BEFORE YOU READ, THIS IS NOT ABOUT MACRO'S IN GENERAL. IT'S ONLY ABOUT USING MORE THAN A FLASK MACRO. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW I WANT THI MACRO TO BE AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE AND/or ALLOWED. IT'S ABOUT WHETHER THE PROBLEM IS THE USE OF THE 5 FLASKS IN THE SAME TIME OR THE MACRO ITSELF.

IN OTHER WORDS. I wish for this to go somewhere. not JUST fighting over the RULES....
" can we reach a conclusion? where using 5 flasks in the same time could become simply part of the game design ?" an in game key that does it not a macro.
FOR THAT REASON i want to know why would people would want that as as a 6TH key bind, or why wouldn't they? and why wouldn't GGG want such a key bind to be added to the game"core"


don't expect my English to be perfect. people come from different countries^^

i have read too many posts about macros, especially flask macros.
i don't know about what could macros cause to the game, as in crashes or bugs. but i have not read one thread where people explain their personal opinion of why flask macros should be banned or not.
macro's are not bots, they don't play for you while u are watching an anime or sleeping :p which takes the only advantage of why a bot ruins this game.
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why i think flasks macro's "especially" should be allowed.

1- if your build dose not support frequent uses of flasks then you can't use your flasks all the time anyway, advantage wise it does not give you any.it does give you disadvantage,however.
2- if you can support the frequent uses of flasks let your flasks duration be at 10-12 secs . it's really not even challenging to click them separately or together and it doesn't change the effort you are going to put into it.
3- nobody wants to crush the keyboard after a long work day. like for real a grinding gear game should be more about enjoying and relaxing at most. every person has his own pace, a flask macro does not change your pace. it helps you achieve it easier.....
4- some people seriously need fewer keys. and right now it's like " if you can't spam your flasks regularly don't play" because the game is unplayable without flasks anyway....
5- i read in a similar post."flask macro is a disadvantage for pathfinder" not true pathfinder advantage is the sustainable flasks " on crit/ flask charge gained/ duration ...etc" path finder is not played "so you can slack more" it is played so you can keep the flasks up even if you are in a fight where there is only a few minions.
6- everyone is capable of sustaining flask while farming normal monsters in a random map. what actually could make you run out of flasks charges is to use them unwisely.
examples:
i a flask is use vs 2 normal monsters, you might not have it vs the next big pack to come.
in that example pushing a macro will amplify your mistake. this is another disadvantage for bad players and will not get them into the level of a better player
7-flasks use is more about circumstances
example:
taste of hate is a flask with that insanely good offensive and defensive power. using it in a boss fight for only one of them could mostly be a waste of the other. so in a fight like minotaur or izaro using it when you are dodging or running, or when you are standing far away dealing damage. could be a waste rather than a good thing. in that sense sin's rebirth for a poisoner shouldn't be used where you can hit only one or 2 times. it should be more to get many poison stacks up. dying sun in a boss fight gives a defensive advantage only "and only vs fire damage"so it should not be used in a macro..... etc
8- THIS should normally be moved to first point.for certain reasons it is not :)
people do get tired, sometimes i get back to work with my fingers feeling as heavy as a rock, because i carried too much shit and i need rest. yet,i still need my stress-out time. if you have never had a time where you can't even lift your own finger. i guess your life is too easy :p some people live such lives Daily "joke: maybe they should try a cyclone build ! "

ALSO what if a person has 2 fingers ? like seriously i know many ppl with a problem like this. you might find it a joke but it is not... like a broken finger, or even a lost one!!!!are they not allowed to play Poe with full potential of their build? are they forced to buy whatever things specified to gaming for ppl with disability ? just to play a game ?



conclusions:
a- most of the times... using a 3-5 flask macro at a boss fight is wrong and it's a noob mistake.
b- flasks does not define your build. flasks are part of your build,however. being used in the right time and situation separately is what should be done. and so using them at the same time is a disadvantage.
c- flask macros will not you spam flasks faster than other ppl who press 1-5 because in fact once your finger is on 5 you can just drag it to 1 smashing all the keys in one sec "i do that vs normal / magic / rare packs" lol
d- flask macros will make the game less stressful, more accessible.it will make the regular farm more desirable. and it will only help identify the farming potential of your build. reflect/ corrupted blood/ and such things will still kill you if your build is vulnerable to them.


my final conclusion is flask macro's will make this game less stressful for everyone. but it does not give any advantage

now i honestly don't see a single reason why flask macro should be illegal unless it has something to do with a technical problem. so if it does please explain it in a reply :)

THANK YOU for reading and.

please keep your replies as "agree or don't agree, your reasons and why do u think they should / shouldn't be allowed"

Are they allowed or not, currently?

The only macro I use ATM is /remaining
I used to use /oos and /itemlevel

I think (not totally sure) that performing more than one action with a single button press is the type of thing that people get banned for. That said, if you tape a Popsicle stick to multiple buttons you could press all of them at once and that be acceptable.

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Abdiel_Kavash wrote:

GGG stance on this is crystal clear. One button press = one server-side action. Anything other than that is not allowed. There is no "why" "but" or "if" about that.

mate we are not playing this game to follow the military code :p there should be nothing as a unchangeable rule that can't be discussed without a reason in a game o0 which is the point here.

any further replies of "this is their stance / rule / " is not really needed the point is to know why is the stance not what

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naturefury1 wrote:

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Abdiel_Kavash wrote:

GGG stance on this is crystal clear. One button press = one server-side action. Anything other than that is not allowed. There is no "why" "but" or "if" about that.

mate we are not playing this game to follow the military code :p there should be nothing as a unchangeable rule that can't be discussed without a reason in a game o0 which is the point here.

any further replies of "this is their stance / rule / " is not really needed the point is to know why is the stance not what

He was answering someone's question asking if they were allowed.

Your stance is "Flask macros don't offer any advantages at all and are actually a severe hindrance! We should be allowed to use them if we want to!"

...why would you want to, if they're a severe hindrance to gameplay?

Nevertheless. As Abdiel and Viper said, GGG's stance on this one is clear and unambiguous - one button press, one server-side action. A flask activation is a server-side activation. One button press for five flask activations is clearly, inarguably against the macro rulings laid down by GGG. Therefor, flask macros are against ToS and punishable.

For once in the history of gaming, macros are being called out as the low-level cheating they are for the majority of the playerbase. I'm certain that players with actual physical disabilities can get ahold of GGG's support services, go "I'm missing most of the fingers off my gaming hand. Can we talk about ways to help me sort this out?", they'll work with that guy. GGG's support team seems cool like that.

But outside of physical disabilities? Play the game the same as everyone else does. You want all the flasks up, press five buttons. And be glad you're not on the Xbone where you only get four flasks instead.

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1453R wrote:

Your stance is "Flask macros don't offer any advantages at all and are actually a severe hindrance! We should be allowed to use them if we want to!"

...why would you want to, if they're a severe hindrance to gameplay?

Nevertheless. As Abdiel and Viper said, GGG's stance on this one is clear and unambiguous - one button press, one server-side action. A flask activation is a server-side activation. One button press for five flask activations is clearly, inarguably against the macro rulings laid down by GGG. Therefor, flask macros are against ToS and punishable.

For once in the history of gaming, macros are being called out as the low-level cheating they are for the majority of the playerbase. I'm certain that players with actual physical disabilities can get ahold of GGG's support services, go "I'm missing most of the fingers off my gaming hand. Can we talk about ways to help me sort this out?", they'll work with that guy. GGG's support team seems cool like that.

But outside of physical disabilities? Play the game the same as everyone else does. You want all the flasks up, press five buttons. And be glad you're not on the Xbone where you only get four flasks instead.

it's meant to be constructive. but all what you wrote was was " macro's are wrong because they are low-level cheating . you shouldn't use flask macro because you should play without it. macro's are not allowed because GGG did not allow it"
"and btw this is funny because cheating is cheating so don't start sorting it in groups now lol"

i am sure i am the who wrote the whole thing so u don't have to repeat it :p and ya are totally not constructive. ill tell u what.
if u can denie that a flask macro is literally a hindrance in every situation i mentioned. then correct me if u must.

i clearly pointed out that a macro is not a hindrance in the basic level of farming. hitting that macro every normal pack or magic pack after u are sure and aware they will not kill u. in that sense everyone would want to use the macro happily without objections. i don't know what is your definition of cheating. but i am sure ruining your own game by spamming your macro is not cheating it's stupidity and by ruining i mean wasting all your flask charges in one go. using this one macro only when there is a pack of normal monsters every 10 secs "a pack that is worthy of a flask use" is something anyone would want to have. and again there is no situation this game will allow a flask macro to become "cheat" or "advantage"

also you have missed the whole point of this by far. everyone else is playing the game without macro because it is not allowed. everyone would play the game with a macro if it WAS allowed unless they are too lazy to look it up for 5 secs on the internet.

the POINT was to discuss this ONCE an for all instead of having a new topic about it every other day. and you know why this whole thing keeps repeating ? because an answer as " this is not allowed because it is forbidden" does not HELP

so lets have people who are capable of answering " why is it not allowed to do it " it is also possible to make a macro that spams ur flask in a pattern which is also not allowed altho it does nto send more than ONE whatever order to the server.

i am not trying to pick a fight with anyone so keep it constructive and respond with a angry fashion :p

EITHER have an answer to help EVERYONE understand why is this illegal or wrong or don't. and if you have suggestions or you want to point out why do u think it's wrong in your personal opinion that's also fine.

thank you