Improve Trade & increase Craft

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cronus wrote:

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CyberWizardB5 wrote:

With increase in prices paid by NPC if a item gets too cheap due lack of "item sink" ppl will start to sell them to the NPC so the NPC will be the "item sink" just as it is now but paing a better value instead of just scraps

yes, npc's paying you more if the item has high level affix tiers would be a valid option to decrease the item influx and keep prices up in sales.

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ghoulavenger wrote:

It would only be an artificial price increase at best. Items with poor bases and good affixes would become valuable. This will put substantially more currency into the hands of people that actually pick up items instead of just walking by them (possibly even including blue items). Since these people are the most likely not to have good gear by not being time efficient (efficiency = currency = better gear) you're pretty much bringing up the bottom without changing the middle or top.

Not to mention you'd probably need to update the vendor recipes to reflect the change. If individual affixes are selling for chaos orbs, then there isn't any reason to do the chaos recipe.

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Chris wrote:

Given that we want trade, the next question is how easy the trade should be. It seems obvious to jump to the answer of "as easy as possible, of course!" but more care needs to be taken. The easier that trade is, the more trades that traders can perform, increasing the utility that items provide to them. This has a few consequences:

The gap between traders and non-traders widens. This gap is apparent when you see feedback that the game is too hard for some people and too easy for others. Most of the time, that is proportionate to how much they have traded.

Item pricing becomes more skewed towards only very-cheap and very-expensive. Items either become trivially cheap or unaffordable. If you have ever felt that it's going to take too many 1-alch sales to finally save up for that 80 exalt item you want, then this is the reason.

Progression is trivialised. While trading for an item to get a leg up on difficult content is of course fine, being able to trivially and cheaply quadruple your clear speed on a whim isn't something that should be expected on your first character in a league. In addition, the fewer item upgrades you make on a character before capping out your items, the lower chance you have of sticking around for a decent portion of the league. Upgrading items more times (in smaller steps) is more fun than jumping right to the perfect gear.

The existing community tools (combined with our public stash tab API) already put us pretty far down this spectrum, compared to the old days of trade chat. We already view this as a crisis. That is why we are hesitant to add more convenience features.

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ewolow wrote:

There literally is no crafting in this game, at least in any meaningful sense. It's basically gambling or mitigated gambling.

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jhnsmth wrote:

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ewolow wrote:

There literally is no crafting in this game, at least in any meaningful sense. It's basically gambling or mitigated gambling.

Wow! This is a revelation for me. We could talk about crafting but most of it really just gambling.
We just play some more with the loot. Or we can buy a guaranteed unique item.

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ewolow wrote:

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jhnsmth wrote:

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ewolow wrote:

There literally is no crafting in this game, at least in any meaningful sense. It's basically gambling or mitigated gambling.

Wow! This is a revelation for me. We could talk about crafting but most of it really just gambling.
We just play some more with the loot. Or we can buy a guaranteed unique item.

I wrote a large reply, one that included an apology to Cronus, I did not intend to call him "sutpid" in any way but the forums ate it.

I had an idea for actual crafting, one that allows you to purposefully build items you want, without having it handed to you.

Here is a link to the post explaining the concept in depth.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1868054

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jhnsmth wrote:

This game is about random loot and some gambling, the so called "crafting" always be inferior in every way. I am sorry, you already know it, you revealed it yourself before.

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Player's inclination to improve gear only in large steps

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jhnsmth wrote:

This game is about random loot and some gambling, the so called "crafting" always be inferior in every way. I am sorry, you already know it, you revealed it yourself before.

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ewolow wrote:

In diablo 2, it was possible to craft some rune word items that were very much end game viable. The problem we have here is that the sink to gamble for an item is much higher than the sink for the currency to buy an item.

I've been playing this game since closed beta. I think I used an exalt maybe once or twice. They are just too valuable and using them to buy items vs gambling for an item with them is not worth it.

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Prisus wrote:

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Player's inclination to improve gear only in large steps

I can tell you, from my personal perspective, I do the above statement only BECAUSE trading is such a pain in the ass. It's not that i don't want to incrementally improve. It's that trading for mid-tier gear is a pain. Because the mid-tier market isn't fluid, players have no idea how to price items. You guys got pricing T2/T3 at 1 ex and all the way down to 5c. The 5c players quit the league, so now they look like "price fixers" when actually they probably just priced the item to what they thought it was worth.

I don't know if anything can be fixed. Just play league for the first month and call it a day i guess?