the baron's leach not being effected by ghost reaver

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Raye wrote:
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Vobant wrote:
Then explain why vaal pact works for zombies and not ghost reaver.


It shouldn't, and it hasn't before. If it truly does, then it's likely a bug. Unless you have some gear I can't think of now that would grant VP to minions.
What do you mean, "hasn't before"? We've never had a source of leech from minions before.
And worst change is putting almost all bosses in new version of maps into fucking small areas, where you can't kite well or dodge stuff. What a terrible idiot invented that I want say to him: dude flick you, seriously flick you very much.
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Vobant wrote:
Then explain why vaal pact works for zombies and not ghost reaver.

Show us the evidence(s) where VP, TAKEN AT PLAYER'S PASSIVE TREE, without any other unique (or not) items granting VP is working for zombies.
Remember, suffering is convenient.
That is why many people prefer it.
Happiness requires effort.
Here is evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1aJySwVuTQ
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Cybersnip wrote:
Here is evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1aJySwVuTQ

VP applies to the player.
As it should be.
"Life leech applies instantly".
Video doesn't show that Zombies have, or are being affected by, Vaal Pact.

Moreover, zombies aren't affected by VP downside "Life Regeneration have no effect".

Try again.
Remember, suffering is convenient.
That is why many people prefer it.
Happiness requires effort.
I tried 3 types of Baron builds and this was the one that i thought it was worth it... And now i'm in a bug that is not a bug itself, it is just unfinished. I think thay just didn't think on this way of building a necro so they didn't configure it completly, why? Items that cannot be used with CI just say it in the description... This is not complete, the baron is just half way done.
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HarukaTeno wrote:
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Cybersnip wrote:
Here is evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1aJySwVuTQ

VP applies to the player.
As it should be.
"Life leech applies instantly".
Video doesn't show that Zombies have, or are being affected by, Vaal Pact.

Moreover, zombies aren't affected by VP downside "Life Regeneration have no effect".

Try again.

No, you clearly got trumped in this argument.

Heres the exact wording for both skills:
Life leech is applied to energy shield instead
Life leech applies instantly

Is applied = Applies, they can be used interchangeably, Such as A and An.

So we have two skills with practically the same wording
"Life leech" - The source, what it is we are modifying, in this case life leech
"Applies" / "Is Applied" - What happens to the source, in this case it implies how the source is modified.
"Instantly" / Energy shield instead" - The modifier, what happens to the source

So we can infer the only difference between these two are in fact the what happens to the leech. They both are worded to imply that they effect life leech in the same way. However, despite implying that if one worked the other would, They behave differently in reality.

Basically, If barons leech could be considered "Life leech" Both should work
If barons leech could not be considered "Life leech" None should work

There should be one of two changes made to fix this bug:

The wording should be changed to"
"Player's Life leech is applied to energy shield instead" <--Change to Reaver to signify it only changes "Local" Leech
"Life leech applies instantly" <-- Since Reaver has been changed, you can infer this applies to "Global" Leech effects

Or B:
Both should apply to barons "Leech"

Its that simple.

And as CyberSnip posted, the Evidence of VP working:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1aJySwVuTQ
Game mechanics clearly states\stated:
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Neither passive skills nor stats from the player's equipment affect minions unless they specifically state "Minions _____".


Send an e-mail to GGG and post the answer about "does\should GR from player's passive tree affect zombie's leech obtained via The Baron?"


P.S. OR FUCKING GGG COULD'VE ALREADY APPEAR HERE (OR IN ANY OTHER SIMILAR THREAD ABOUT GOD DAMNED BARON) AND SETTLE DOWN THIS (ALREADY ANNOYING) DISPUTE. -_-

P.P.S. We've had this rule about only "minions____" stats actually affect minions for years.
But no. People (new or even old players) tend to disagree with that just because they want to.
So, GGG, either confirm that stuff and let it be carved down at stone or whatever.

Remember, suffering is convenient.
That is why many people prefer it.
Happiness requires effort.
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HarukaTeno wrote:
P.P.S. We've had this rule about only "minions____" stats actually affect minions for years.
But no. People (new or even old players) tend to disagree with that just because they want to.
So, GGG, either confirm that stuff and let it be carved down at stone or whatever.
They(me too) disagree because leech in question is not minion-only leech, it is also your leech in the sense that it applies to you. And when one of your passive modifiers applies on that leech, but other doesn't despite having exact same wording template... well, no wonder there are questions raised. Which GGG refuses to even acknowledge.
And worst change is putting almost all bosses in new version of maps into fucking small areas, where you can't kite well or dodge stuff. What a terrible idiot invented that I want say to him: dude flick you, seriously flick you very much.
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HarukaTeno wrote:
Game mechanics clearly states\stated:
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Neither passive skills nor stats from the player's equipment affect minions unless they specifically state "Minions _____".


Send an e-mail to GGG and post the answer about "does\should GR from player's passive tree affect zombie's leech obtained via The Baron?"


P.S. OR FUCKING GGG COULD'VE ALREADY APPEAR HERE (OR IN ANY OTHER SIMILAR THREAD ABOUT GOD DAMNED BARON) AND SETTLE DOWN THIS (ALREADY ANNOYING) DISPUTE. -_-

P.P.S. We've had this rule about only "minions____" stats actually affect minions for years.
But no. People (new or even old players) tend to disagree with that just because they want to.
So, GGG, either confirm that stuff and let it be carved down at stone or whatever.



Here's a good question: Doesn't Chieftain's "Damage dealt by your totems is leeched to you as life"-node work with Ghost Reaver? Same exact wording except one is totem and the other is zombie. Are you suggesting that because one is a 'minion', it should not work?
My summoner guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1765329
My shop thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1748967
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Kaz2ndChance wrote:
Here's a good question: Doesn't Chieftain's "Damage dealt by your totems is leeched to you as life"-node work with Ghost Reaver? Same exact wording except one is totem and the other is zombie. Are you suggesting that because one is a 'minion', it should not work?
Here's all I managed to find:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1817290

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1814083

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1818115

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/4mf6b8/hinekora_totem_leech_ghost_reaver/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/53m1io/chieftain_hinekora_questions/

Two people say it should work, one person says it doesn't work. No one really seems to know or have any evidence.

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