Remove xp loss on death, replace with xp bonuses for surviving

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grepman wrote:

lol at 'psychological effect'

todays gamers love to be constantly told how great they are.

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and they cant take failure. and if its failure by RNG, oh my god they are LIVID. but my skillz !

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and not only they expect this to happen in all games intended by the masses, but they expect it in hardcore games that are DESIGNED to punish players for making wrong moves.

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you know how I learned to swim and how my kids will learn to swim ?

throw them into water. they will learn how to swim, badly at first. without someone telling them what they did wrong or right. your reward is not drowning. and you get to face adversity.

none of that carebear bullshit. fuck tutorials. fuck feelings. come get some.

but let me guess, this is 'outdated'. poor kids feelings. you need to pay instructor for 10 lessons to get your kid to doggy paddle.

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Demonoz wrote:

The ONLY thing that needs to be changed as far as exp progression goes in POE endgame mapping content is the amounts of exp you gain proportional to the difficulty of the content you are doing.

The exp penalty is already completely bypassed every single league as it is by simply not touching a single map beyond T11-12 and rolling the easiest possible mods on maps so there's little to no fear of death. From there its all about no life grinding your way to the goal post. Yet if you want to play the harder higher maps in the T15 range the exp is still fucking garbage and takes a massive amount of time to the point it averages out to nearly the same exp per hour as the easy maps AND you have actually be in constant fear of death every single map you run. If not from the mobs and the mods rolled on the map then its the boss that hits like a truck yet the exp difference is almost non existent.

Why do you think people do the shaped atlas shit? Its the easiest way to lvl 100 with least amount of risk. Doing the harder maps is not gonna shorten the time it takes to get there in the first place and on top of that you WILL end up dieing in those harder maps as well which will set you back a HUGE amount once well into the 90s. Those harder more risky maps should be giving the absolute best exp. More risk.. More Reward.

But that's simply not how it works right now so until that is fixed it doesn't really matter anyway if there is or isn't an exp penalty. Your not gonna hit 100 unless your no life grinding the easiest possible maps as fast as possible anyway. If you really want that exp doing the harder maps isn't the way to go nor is there any other real reward in doing them either. THATS the biggest problem with the exp penalty. THATS what needs to be changed. Then from there doing harder content will be more rewarding and if you die to that hard content its not gonna hurt near as much since you're at least getting the exp proportionate to the risk you are taking.

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Tempada wrote:

So, why not reward softcore players for surviving instead of punishing them for dying? I feel like there would be less resentment and better player retention if there was, instead of the death penalty, an experience multiplier that slowly grew, for example, based on map tiers completed without death.

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Demonoz wrote:

Your not gonna hit 100 unless your no life grinding the easiest possible maps as fast as possible anyway. If you really want that exp doing the harder maps isn't the way to go nor is there any other real reward in doing them either. THATS the biggest problem with the exp penalty. THATS what needs to be changed. Then from there doing harder content will be more rewarding and if you die to that hard content its not gonna hurt near as much since you're at least getting the exp proportionate to the risk you are taking.

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Tempada wrote:

XP loss on death is one thing that really bothers me about this game. Why does GGG punish you for something that's sometimes (and more often than it should be) out of your control? There are many insta-death scenarios that happen too quickly for a player to react, and when people argue a player "should" have reacted, they often forget that this has turned into an incredibly fast-paced game with visual indicators that are frequently difficult to see in the chaos on the screen. Exploding corpses and volatile enemies are especially awful (see here). Or people may die from connectivity issues, which we unfortunately have to suffer through in an online-only game.

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grepman wrote:

todays gamers love to be constantly told how great they are. and they cant take failure. and if its failure by RNG, oh my god they are LIVID. but my skillz !

and not only they expect this to happen in all games intended by the masses, but they expect it in hardcore games that are DESIGNED to punish players for making wrong moves.


you know how I learned to swim and how my kids will learn to swim ?

throw them into water. they will learn how to swim, badly at first. without someone telling them what they did wrong or right. your reward is not drowning. and you get to face adversity.

none of that carebear bullshit. fuck tutorials. fuck feelings. come get some.

but let me guess, this is 'outdated'. poor kids feelings. you need to pay instructor for 10 lessons to get your kid to doggy paddle.