PSA: if you're a price fixer you might get banned from poe.trade now

Any conclusive proof he actually is banned?

can we alll just step back and appreciate the hilarity that is this conversation?

Discussing the 3rd party site that handles a lionshare of the this games central feature (trade) on the official site (and reddit) ? I mean, its really quite the circle jerk. meanwhile GGG be like, 'trade is fine'

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SpanishMonarch wrote:

can we alll just step back and appreciate the hilarity that is this conversation?

Discussing the 3rd party site that handles a lionshare of the this games central feature (trade) on the official site (and reddit) ? I mean, its really quite the circle jerk. meanwhile GGG be like, 'trade is fine'

I appreciate it.

Just out of curiosity, what was the major concern from GGG regarding an in-house auction platform?
All I've heard is that it would make character progression too easy if it were streamlined.
Is that really the argument?

I understand from a technological standpoint that it would take quite a bit of extra work and overhead to implement and maintain.

My mind drifts back to other games that had a dedicated trading function, where people could post a limited amount of items (at a cost which was a percentage of the asking price, and for a set time).

If the item sold the price was sent via mailbox to the listor, and if the item didn't sell it was sent back via mailbox to the listor and he/she lost the cost of posting the item. I can see there being issue because of currency values not being nailed down, but maybe something like this could work.

w/e trade improvements GGG has planned, I'm sure a great many are looking forward to them.

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Boem wrote:

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maryedu wrote:

although I see what you are saying about it being GGGs' mess, I'm not sure how accurate your personal judgments are regarding the owner of xyz. Unless you know the person intimately it's wrong to suspect judgement made is based on "personal bias" or "overarching ground rules."

Suddenly i need to sleep in the same bed as XyZ to know that he has no relevant data to back up bans on his third party tools?

Banning people based on fake listings is all fine if the site advocates this as a violation of it's use, not on a wimp.

But as far as the PoE game rules and ToS go, these actions are not against them.

All he has is the API data available, while on the other hand, GGG owns all of your account data to justify crucifixion if required.

Which one would you rather have the power to directly alter your game-experience?

Peace,

-Boem-

While i also think that a simple ToS thrown somewhere on the site would go a long way, i think getting your ass banned by the creator of a website, for misusing said website for purposes other than what is intended, is rather justifiable.

In the end, the guy doesnt owe the community anything. If the moral ambiguity of the website are rubbing people the wrong way, it is up to the community to change it (make a new website that adheres to their moral compass, mail him a ToS and so on) but certainly not the creator of xyz. That guy can do whatever the fuck he wants with his brainchild.

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Boem wrote:

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maryedu wrote:

although I see what you are saying about it being GGGs' mess, I'm not sure how accurate your personal judgments are regarding the owner of xyz. Unless you know the person intimately it's wrong to suspect judgement made is based on "personal bias" or "overarching ground rules."

Suddenly i need to sleep in the same bed as XyZ to know that he has no relevant data to back up bans on his third party tools?

Banning people based on fake listings is all fine if the site advocates this as a violation of it's use, not on a wimp.

But as far as the PoE game rules and ToS go, these actions are not against them.

All he has is the API data available, while on the other hand, GGG owns all of your account data to justify crucifixion if required.

Which one would you rather have the power to directly alter your game-experience?

Peace,

-Boem-

I think the issue is more complicated. Poe trade is an indexing site. An information aggregator. You can still list items with GGG trade API or old school trade forums. Other trade indexing sites will still show your listings.

So there is no terms of use in poetrade since you are not listing directly with them. The issue is that on poetrade, certain accounts can be blocked from showing up. So the terms of use would be with GGG, if an indexing site uses the GGG trade API. Is there a requirement they must show all account listing without blocking any?

If GGG does not have this requirement, then poetrade can block whoever they want. It's on GGG.

Notice it's the same accounts so they're not being banned or blacklisted for any length of time (the ones advertising 1:1 C vs Ex ratio).

Without mentioning any names one of them has in their name a famous Canadian province where they speak a lot of French.

thought about this, it also has advantages:

xyz could also prevent item flipping by making items more or less account bound. every item has a unique id, once it got advertised by someone it gets blocked from poe.trade in the future.


got problems with this? hey, it's for "the greater good" (background chorus: "the greater good") and it's his site, he can do whatever he wants with his site.

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vio wrote:

thought about this, it also has advantages:

xyz could also prevent item flipping by making items more or less account bound. every item has a unique id, once it got advertised by someone it gets blocked from poe.trade in the future.


got problems with this? hey, it's for "the greater good" (background chorus: "the greater good") and it's his site, he can do whatever he wants with his site.

Spoiler

i could also think of other issues he could fix by punishing players for their ingame behaviour but this is the best example.

I agree

Yeah yeah Flipping is not forbidden and its part of economy but GGG has to keep in mind that this is a videogame, its meant for generating fun

Its not fun when people cant buy items because some people artificially buff their price

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vio wrote:

thought about this, it also has advantages:

xyz could also prevent item flipping by making items more or less account bound. every item has a unique id, once it got advertised by someone it gets blocked from poe.trade in the future.


got problems with this? hey, it's for "the greater good" (background chorus: "the greater good") and it's his site, he can do whatever he wants with his site.

Spoiler

i could also think of other issues he could fix by punishing players for their ingame behaviour but this is the best example.

You can, of course, suggest him to add this feature. It would of course be his call whether to add it or not (and something tells me he wouldn't).

Pretty sure I still seen this Chabbalayula guy's listings for 1 Alterations just day ago.

So probably nope.