Finally got a level 90 build... Diminishing Returns is an appropriate name

your map pool is very poor-- my guess is u ran normal/magical maps and rarely chisel'd or vaal'd them

i started with tier 1 maps and only bought 5 or so maps for atlas completion (atlas at 119/126)

I have 50+ tier 1-9 maps
20+ tier 10-14 maps
5 or so T15/16 maps

AND i constantly 3:! vendor trade maps tier 11 or lower

You are welcome to message me if you want tips and info on how to best maintain a map pool

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Arrowneous wrote:

From 95 to 100 is another level of mind numbing map grinding though and although I'll never do it even once I am a little surprised that there are more and more that do it every 3 months (whatever they enjoy I guess).

There's less. GGG kinda made mapping somewhat irrelevant in today's poe, race to 100 is not a thing anymore and no one really gives a shit about it.

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Shazamarang wrote:

The experience from 80 to 90 is absolutely fine, and if you think it's too much or too grindy to the point where you need to complain then you shouldn't be playing the game. It's a grinding game, it's appropriate that it's a grind to level. You say this is your first level 90 character, but the experience rate has been nerfed several times in the past, and your account was made pretty long ago, so I'm not really sure why you're complaining.

I've come to a level of understanding of PoE that I'm ok with as I don't play PoE like it was my job and I don't have any desire to be a PoE mathematician to attempt to face roll all the bosses. I wouldn't say I'm complaining but wishing there was some other way to generate xp other than just map grinding.

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Shazamarang wrote:

I don't like being rude, but you've been playing since closed beta and still have a very weak grasp on the game's knowledge. Granted, you could have taken a massive break between, or have some other circumstances, but I just find that kinda funny. This is also shown by your character page. Your gear is what I'd consider to be quite garbage, though I understand that not everyone who plays has access to insane gear. Honestly, you could easily farm for better gloves and jewelry in a few hours, a decent upgrade for everything would only cost up to an exalt max, even in standard. Gear and skill limit the build a lot more than the passive tree, which is why you might be struggling but Mathil has no issues at all.

I'm not having any trouble with my level 90 build and it's a direct result of having seen Mathil's BF test build with a Bino's and then a couple of days later I got my own Bino's to drop so I respec'ed a level 70 character and in 2 months (short time for me as a casual) am at level 90.

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Shazamarang wrote:

Map drops are fine, they're more plentiful than they've ever been. You can only get higher tier maps by running higher tier maps. You can't complain about having very few red maps if you never run them. And bearers are never an excuse for dying. I understand that bearers can kill players with slow reaction times from time to time, but if you're dying to them consistently you might want to work on something. You have a few seconds to react to them, there's honestly no excuse. I can justify volatiles, but never bearers.

Yes, red maps won't drop if I'm not running red maps (or at least T9 and T10) and thus now that I have reached level 90 I can concentrate on red maps only. I admit that I shouldn't have carelessly died to the orb dropped by the unique Bearer when it was killed and it's totally my fault that I didn't WB out of harms way. My only comment to what happened at level 89.99 is that I can run a Precinct rare map and jump right in the middle of a large pack and WB around and obliterate them all. Then go and destroy the 4 end map bosses without dieing (taking on 2 of them at the same time is a very fun challenge). But to die to a simple shocking orb dropped by a dead Bearer does seem like it's unbalanced damage although I know I didn't have Fortify on so maybe it provides more damage mitigation than I realize. And yes, as a life build I can never have too much life and I need more.

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Shazamarang wrote:

You seem very ignorant to game knowledge for someone who's been playing for over 4 years. Again, I don't like to be rude, but your gear is bad, your character is bad, and honestly I think you might be bad. Following a build guide is never a good idea if you don't understand what you're doing, which seems to be the case here. It's amazing that you're from closed beta and still at the game knowledge level of a 1-week newbie.

Thanks for the insults... NOT! But yes I haven't taken the time to get into the mechanics of PoE very much and I only play SSF at a casual amount of time. That's my choice and I'm ok about it. No need to be rude just because you want to play at a much deeper intense level of play. Following Mathil's Assassin build guide was great and the perfect way to a deeper understanding of why this build works great when most others suck badly. Learning from other top players is always a good way to improve PoE knowledge.

Please be mindful not to tell some one that they suck at PoE and to get out (quit now) even if that may be true. Whether some one is a newbie, a long time casual player, or a long time player that can face roll The Guardians and The Shaper and be on the Breach ladder at 100, if we choose to play PoE at all it is not very polite to shame them if they aren't in the top 2% of players no matter how long they have played PoE. Please be understanding or just don't post a reply. Thank you.

TL;DR (if this is Too Long Didn't Read for you then just move on and don't reply, thank you.)

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toyotatundra wrote:

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Arrowneous wrote:

From 95 to 100 is another level of mind numbing map grinding though and although I'll never do it even once I am a little surprised that there are more and more that do it every 3 months (whatever they enjoy I guess).

There's less. GGG kinda made mapping somewhat irrelevant in today's poe, race to 100 is not a thing anymore and no one really gives a shit about it.

Really? If level 100 is unimportant by everyone else then GGG should just lift the level cap and let those that want to grind forever do so like they can in D3:RoS with Greater Rift ladders.

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hyper_ch wrote:

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SirSid wrote:

Diablo 2 how many level 100 characters did you make thare i wonder ;) im assuming none .

IIRC you could only get to lvl 99

I played D2 way back with my friends in LAN parties and never ever thought about what level I could reach. D2 was such a super fun arpg that we could link computers on a LAN, party play all nighters, and never worry about lag as we weren't Internet server bound, thus grinding to whatever the max character level was was unimportant.

Of course I know that off-line local play is open to hacking but this was 2000 and we were just wanting a great party play monster bash arpg for which D2 was perfect. We were never caring to be on any ladders then or now or what the max character level was. Killing Mephisto and Diablo was all that mattered with the great story Blizzard North had created (the cut scenes are still fantastic today).

Note: Local LAN party play has it's own great socializing rewards for which no on-line arpg can provide. Playing with all party members (friends) being in the same room together was super fun. PoE can't ever deliver on that fun as the lag is too great to ever work well (even if the LAN party was held at my WISP office with a 350 Mb fiber Internet on a gigabit LAN backbone).

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Arrowneous wrote:

Thanks for the insults... NOT! But yes I haven't taken the time to get into the mechanics of PoE very much and I only play SSF at a casual amount of time. That's my choice and I'm ok about it. No need to be rude just because you want to play at a much deeper intense level of play. Following Mathil's Assassin build guide was great and the perfect way to a deeper understanding of why this build works great when most others suck badly. Learning from other top players is always a good way to improve PoE knowledge.

To be fair, i don't think you even built to malthil's specs? You can get way more damage out of your BF 5link if you remove faster casting. Since BF is not a spell, it does not get any benefits at all from Faster Casting. It's a dead gem in that setup.

Although his delivery is harsh, he has one point that you kind of contradict: "Learning from top players..."

One of the main things malthil includes in most of his build guides is optimal 5L and luxury 6L setups for the main skill. It seems that maybe you were so casually following the guide that maybe you didn't follow it?

I still can't believe you slogged that character to 90. That couldn't be easy considering you probably have around 4k life (if that). Kudos to you though for sticking through it and getting there.

For me up to 90 is fine, a couple deaths here and there but ultimately I usually end up with a net positive exp gain, 91 takes a bit longer. But anything beyond 91 is near-impossible for me, I don't have the patience for it. My guildmate routinely hits 96 every league.

that faster casting gem in your 5L really needs to go, it doesnt effect bladeflurry cause its an attack and not a spell. I know its been said but the gem is still there. If I remember rightly and this is a mathil assassin build the other blue gem should probably be added chaos damage.

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I wouldn't say I'm complaining

Which is exactly why you made a thread, right? :^)

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I'm not having any trouble with my level 90 build

Except for most bosses. You said you're having a lot of trouble with those, right? If you can't kill most map bosses, I'd say you're having trouble with your build.

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Thanks for the insults... NOT!

No problem, friend. Thanks for the banter.

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But yes I haven't taken the time to get into the mechanics of PoE very much

If you haven't taken the time to get into the mechanics of the game, then you probably shouldn't complain about said mechanics.

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I only play SSF at a casual amount of time. That's my choice and I'm ok about it.

I understand that people enjoy playing without trading, and that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that your gear is bad though, and even playing without trading you could get better jewelry very easily.

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Following Mathil's Assassin build guide was great and the perfect way to a deeper understanding of why this build works great when most others suck badly.

Except you don't really understand exactly why Blade Flurry is as strong as it is, which is evident by your OP. "Most others suck badly" is actually a pretty closed minded thing to say, considering you can make just about any skill work with enough effort. Some are just harder to get going that others.

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Please be mindful not to tell some one that they suck at PoE and to get out (quit now) even if that may be true.

I don't quite think I told you to quit. I did tell you that you might be bad at the game, but I never told you to quit. I said if you can't handle a grind then you shouldn't play a grinding game.

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it is not very polite to shame them if they aren't in the top 2% of players

I wouldn't really call this "shaming", but you can if you want to. You posted a thread with flawed logic, giving negative feedback isn't shaming. Although, I did say you might be bad, so you got me there.

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Please be understanding or just don't post a reply.

I mean, I could say the same. Please be understanding and don't post a thread when you don't know much about the game. :^)

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TL;DR (if this is Too Long Didn't Read for you then just move on and don't reply, thank you.)

I'm a bored nerd, just like you. You're post is somewhat hilarious to me, so there's no reason for me to not read through everything. The TL;DR in my post was for other people, not you.