Concern with Detonate Dead (and Breach)

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Natharias wrote:

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OatmealOgre wrote:

I'm clearing every pack and killing every Unique enemy using DD. I only use Flameblast to kill one single enemy per pack so that there's another corpse. It simply serves as a utility skill. Or do you mean to say that no "pure" DD builds could exist until they released Desecrate?

Correct. It wouldn't be "pure".

Trying to understand your logic and can't. Desecrate wasn't made specifically for DD, it can be used for summoning, offerings and devouring totem. So why DD+Desecrate is "pure DD build" while DD+some other skill isn't? Just because that skill makes 1% of build's DPS, and Desecrate does only 0.01%?

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silumit wrote:

Trying to understand your logic and can't. Desecrate wasn't made specifically for DD, it can be used for summoning, offerings and devouring totem. So why DD+Desecrate is "pure DD build" while DD+some other skill isn't? Just because that skill makes 1% of build's DPS, and Desecrate does only 0.01%?

The tipping point could be a kill. Since you will never observe Desecrate killing an enemy using a Natharias-approved "Pure DD" build, it remains untouched, but when you deal a kill via any other skill, the build is tainted and no longer pure DD.


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Natharias wrote:

Enemies don't die. Do you just walk past them?

Oh, right, you don't. You run around like a dumbass trying to figure out how to kill them, because you got cast speed instead of damage. OOPS.

a) Enemies mostly get one-shot from the DD, cast speed will help.
b) If enemies don't die I cast again -> Cast Speed needed.
Even if you have terrible dmg, which it sounds like you assume, Cast Speed will benefit it.
Let me know if you still disagree and I will give you super-solid video evidence that Cast Speed matters.
And once again, Cast Speed will also benefit Desecrate.

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This is like saying I use one melee skill against single targets and another for packs. It's not going to be, say, a "Molten Strike" build. ...

Yes, I agree. But look, I don't use one skill for single target and one for packs. I use one skill to kill 1 single white mob so that I can kill the entire pack with DD. If there's a long chain of packs in the map I will in fact only have to cast Flameblast once.
If I kill >90% of the white mobs and 100% of the blue/rare/unique mobs using DD, how the hell is this not a "pure" DD build?

I get the point if someone uses one skill for packs and one for single target. I would not consider it a pure build for that single target skill. However that's not the case here.

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...is just one reason RF could work in a pure DD build. It would be used for utility to augment Leap Slam/Whirling Blades, Lightning Warp, Flame Dash, fire damage, etc.

Flameblast is only usable to kill an enemy. RF is not.

That ring won't help RF do anything for a DD build, you are not considered ignited while using RF.
Your point of using RF was even that you'd use it to kill something.

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But this has gotten far enough off topic.

Agreed.