Why I'm no longer buying supporter packs

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leto2626 wrote:
Wow people still complaining about Premium Stash tabs? Even complaining about it when you have thousands of points? So tired of people complainign about minor things as if it's something world changing while a fascist became one of our world leaders. PoE is a game, GGG is a company, who gives a damn if in your world buying a stash tab is pay to win. You should seriously learn to be happy and enjoy a game.


But it is pay to win. you are paying for a rather large advantage over other players. if you some how think the ye oldie system of procurement / acquisition / tradeforums are even close to the same level .. then you are delusional.


not everyone has access to money.. did you think about that? not everyone is an employed 20 - 60 something person with disposable income.


you cant assume that they do. Hell before i had a job frivolous spending was largely regulated by my parents back when I was 14.... and i can tell from experience they would have said no to stash tabs.

its not about us having 1000s of points . I have 90+ active stash tabs.

That is not the point. The point is the other people .. you know the f2p part of the f2p model. free users make up the backbone of a game.. for every whale like me there is a sea of regular fish out there.


Making this out to be a minor thing makes me feel like you are more than a bit out of touch on this subject and i would suggest .. as the meme goes .. checking your privilege because you clearly need too.

just because it doesn't matter to you doesn't mean it doesn't matter period
I've been supporting the game since closed BETA, and taken long breaks. I think one thing I give GGG is they fixed desync when many thought it would never happen. I take the game for what it is - one of about 5 of my favorite games I play on rotation.

I dislike PvP is pretty much dead and they haven't addressed it or tried to make it a LITTLE more appealing but I get it - its hard to balance on ARPG's. Atleast come up with something fun like capture the flag and give like huge damage mitigation to make it interesting.

You could also have some 5 vs 5 guild vs guild PvE challenges IE; whichever guild clears a map or kills X bosses faster wins - some type of competitive challenge/ranking system would add much needed end game for me.

I also dislike the end game in path, but I give them credit again for adding more to do, more to the game and improving it somewhat. For me the drop rates and trading go hand in hand tied to end game. The game has had improved drop rates and essences also made crafting more viable for solo players once again improvements.

The premium tab integration with poe.trade was also a nice improvement, if that had not happened I would rate trading 1/10 in this game I've hated it, but with it I'd say its atleast manageable now.

I would like to see better drops/loot, and a more entertaining vs grinding end game. The game is very grindy the fact is though unless it is people leave. Look at D3 and D2, games you can power level and obtain gear very quickly most players play for a week or two and are done. UNFORTUNATELY unless the game is somewhat grindy and difficult player bases will spike and drop constantly - the grind is essential to longevity withlong term players. That doesn't mean it cant get better.

My BIGGEST annoyance with the game is melee is and has been broken and annoying.
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Last edited by CrownOfThorns#7528 on Nov 22, 2016, 1:46:33 PM
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Bweaty wrote:
New supporter packs out, usually by now the sweats got too much & I spent $...

I only bought the cheaper pack last time. Because I felt some good, but mostly 'meh'.

So what's changed, why don't I feel they GGGodly, GGGood, and deserve my money?


There's a few things.

Trade - It's a HUGE thing in every game for me. Cept here!
On my Phone. Is a crafting game, with a big online trade system.
Couple of MMO's I've 'gold capped' multi-toons. Shit I've even had staff call my contact number when I went away on holiday because it was stuffing the server economy.

Last league here, I had 12 afk, and 1 person just abuse me for over 15mins with random insults. I put a screen shot on forums, got the post removed and warned I'd get banned.
(I get 'name and shame rules, but I didn't say anything about what a prophetic asshole I thought they were didn't say anything, still feels a bit dirty/nazi forums)

I had people make me swap leagues for 1 alc, then not want it by the time I logged over.
(What happened to X-Server trade they talked about)
I've had people 'can't I'm in lab'.

Premium Tabs. Sure, ya 'can' use trade chat/build ya own website on forums for shop. They are cheap. But, it still feels dirty as fuck, and seriously changed my mind about GGG.

I soooo hate it I can't say 'Well GGG's cash shop is 100% non-pay to win, they rock.

Cash Shop
RNG Box's - Again, not worst I ever seen. But still feels dirty/frustrating. Even with Steams tie-in promo, at least ya could trade unwanted items.

Gifts system - I tried to buy a girl I like, a mini-pet, and my best friend spider sparks to get them all inspired in PoE more...
Sure the staff were nice to do it, but it felt like a total pain in the ass & a bit like I wasn't trusted not to be trading real $ in game stuff or something dirty.

The MTX window in game, is messy & soo hard to put things in order/arrange. (Ok, so it's only the OCD of us that can't stand it, but it's not just me I noticed bitching!)


The forums
Feels much less impactful since the company got 'big'. Feels like it's just asshole trolls that read/reply.

WTF is with GGG replying thru Reddit and not putting ANY info on there own website?!!

Loot
Worst loot in ANY ARPG!

Find a upgrade while leveling, not worth the cost to socket/colour it, better to just buy a done one from someone else.
Get to maps and get sexy chest/weap... Again, can be weeks of farming starter maps to get sockets/colours.

Loots not worth picking up.
Ok there's the 'odd' card or unique. But it's soo rare, and it's not something you want or care about yaself. Ya just going to sell it to someone else 99% of the time.

Cards - Not worth farming for items yaself, just more time spent fucking around the website 'fake' AH/dealing with manual trade.

You try explaining yellows to a 'new player'... Well, you see, ya'll need a website to look up the mods/roll ranges. Yeah, there's hidden tiers, then 'sets' of mods ya'll want together. Then you need to know the 'meta' builds, sure you could get that 1 in 1.3mil odd T1 rolls item drop, but if it's not meta, people will offer you a chaos or less in a few months time...

- Why not make a GGGenius gear system. Only thing we don't grind is gear!
It's own talent tree, leveling, customizations.
Other games have started to do these sorts of things. Be it talent tree, or 'crafting/upgrades' with farmable items from harder content etc.
It'd give ya something to do after first 'race rush' at start of league.


Where did all the fun go? Why is it all just trivial or frustrating now?
The 'slower/longer grind' to 100. Tho may be good for races, is soo much a 'can I be bothered' not 'this is challenging content'.

Atlas didn't actually do anything to stop the tedium of not being able to support your map pool at content you want to play!
It's still much safer/cheaper/efficient to just farm yellow maps than red for going for 100.

"Watch T.V. for most the game play, then the odd escalating hard fight" I get where ya's coming from... but trivial 1shot more than the screen, mind numbing. Then the 1 crazy encounter feels cheap/bullshit as it's balanced around Alt+F4 to avoid danger.

Required Builds: Sure V2 added heaps more diversity & things were going better than ever. BUT, lab proof builds, and 'endgame boss' proof builds, sort of throw that out the window.

98% of deaths are bullshit! Lag/Client problems, then random exploding dead things. Then the 'odd' mass high dps projectiles CC Stun Locking/Freeze locking when pot low/the random stupidly huge crit.
- Again I think a huge thing is, it's Alt+F4 balanced. There's sooo little 'skill challenge' where, oh if I only zigged left, I coulda just scrapped that in. I'll get better next time...
It's oh crap, that tiny boss room was full of things that exploded on death. - Perfect RNG storms is about as good feeling as it get's these days!

It's always F-RNG, or R-Lag bad feels bro!


- The new boss/maps. First off, YAY! SOO love the mechanic drive new boss fights!
But, why did you just 'move' the frustrating crap boss's and add more?
Yay, Crem's now fun! Oh Cells has that crappy randomly rippy with no warning boss...

Canyon is just 100% troll now. Too short to give any exp/loot and just stunlock/charge edge of screen 1shot BS boss's not even in there own room.

WTF is with some of the boss's? Reflect/Thorns to stop phys/ele players/fast attacks/casts?!!
Immune to X boss's? - it's un-noticeable-trivial with some builds, totally frustrating for others.


WTF is actually going on/How do I learn to be better
This one is still driving me NUTS. Worse is trying to get other friends to play.

How do you tell what killed you? Well, you record a vid of you playing, and if you can't guess yourself, you need a group of PoE players to give there opinions of what happened.

Oh I got hit by 'green stuff'. Was that fire? Ghostly dead cold something? Poison?
It's even worse with 'league' monsters/spells being a pretty colour, or new boss's being very cool looking space effects. I mean, it looks cool, but no idea what it 'dose'.

I know a full combat log, would let people see how unbalanced the game is and build the powerful builds with lots less effort. But, even a what killed you msg.

You were killed by [Monster name][Damage type]

It's WORSE in groups with everyones spells covering the screen!


Where'd all the innovation go?
So, class asention and lab I found kinda cool. Lab was a bit less 'omfg gauntlet fun times' than hoped, but still. GGGenius.
I used to be regularly blown away with GGG's touch. Even with 'copied concepts' like goblins that were ghosts that buffed things. Soo much more enjoyable!

But it's all been feeling a bit 'stale'.

I've been playing another ARPG, by a small indi dev.
Anyway, around it's heath bar, there's a golden bar. When you get out of combat for a few seconds, your life starts healing, and the gold bar go's down.
There's 'ess' the monsters drop, or 'food' that refill it.
This simple feature, allows for 'intense fast combat' but still allows you to have MANY oh poop, situations & feels more skilled combat. Makes a 'zip in, go blat blat get out' type feel to the combat/adds some depth.
The other thing, if you get 'rep' from different people, the food gives you a buff for a few mins. Adding another layer of 'cool' (When your in area's of the game without much food, ya feel hungry, but the base system still is in play adding depth to the combat)

I'm used to it being GGG that adds the simple/easy/elegant concept with soo much depth behind it.


Quality of Life
Aura's/Minions... It's lovely you put a better UI on Aura buttons... but...

What happened to that 2nd action bar? Aura's/minions just staying 'on' after DC's/death?

AutoLoot currency? (Not game braking, but WHY not, how many hours have I wasted clicking on things I'm always going to click on? Having to 'race' into danger to get it if non-perm loot on a party?)

Tool Tips - Could say lots more with Shift Key or something, ya know. Tier/roll ranges.

Basically just the 'little' things that make a HUGE diff, and let you keep playing, and not spending lots of time clicking/looking up websites.
- The currency tab, I didn't know I wanted/needed this, but it's made my life soo much better! :-)

T-Shirts
The first T-Shirt with the 6L, SOO cool! I ware it out to raves/festivals/doofs...
The T-Shirts since, with the PoE logo... they too odvious & geeky.
I've had BIG scary hairy guys follow me around. People in bottle shops tell me how D3 isn't a bad game either... All the cool art ya's do, give us something better than the logo, again.



Very nice post. I can't write it better.

GGG: plz make all that stuff as mentioned, I can pay 10$ monthly subscription for QUALITY.
My only personal thing when I become "premium ( paying ) member" plz don't punish my deaths by exp lost, grinding lvl 100 is enough punishment with current exp ratios.
It's funny. An ARPG at it's core is about trading and loot and character development. All 3 of these things feel like shit in PoE.
Dynamic Environment - Day/Night, Rain/Lightning - http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/110100


GGG's design philosophy in three words:
Quantity over Quality.
i actually like the passive side of it

the linking system has never been my favorite because of what it does to random drops after a while.




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laycast wrote:
It's funny. An ARPG at it's core is about trading and loot and character development. All 3 of these things feel like shit in PoE.

[Removed by Support] Trade is totally not what every ARPG should be about, and no matter what GGG does about trade people [Removed by Support] will [Removed by Support] always whine. To me the otehr 2 things you mention are the best in any ARPG ever made, but sure I guess you play this game because it's so bad right. Nothing is wrong with loot to me, maybe the spam of useless uniques, but those have been in every game. Nostalgia is a mind trick you know. I'd like a game without uniques, but then people like you would also complain right?

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Just all that hate the game SO much, why do you all keep playing and posting, just LEAVE PLEASE [Removed by Support] to the forum of the best ARPG out there ... o wait this is the best ARPG out there I guess that makes sense you can't go anywhere else anymore.

Anyays I expect a forum ban for defending the game and trying to fight all the hate-spreading scum of the earth trying to destroy the game they hate so hard they play it every day. The game has never been so active, I've had the most fun in Atlas, I think they did a wonderful job and it hurts to see all this hate.

You know what would help every single game out there? A counter of how many people currently playing (aka enjoying) the game and then a counter of all the people spreading sickness on their forum and compare the numbers. Yes literally thousands time more people have fun in the game right now than people complaining getting level 100 is best done in yellow maps or that paying for premium tabs is a crime against the free to play moral values of your ballsack. Yet all the devs and casual forum browser sees is hate hate hate.

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Last edited by CJ_GGG#0000 on Nov 23, 2016, 12:11:57 AM
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1) for some quality feedback
2) for withdrawing support which is what more unsatisfied customers need to do for this game to get back on track. Blindly throwing money at GGG has resulted in a lackadaisical development team that believes they can design the game around making $$$ and still draw supporters when in actuality the game should be designed around making the greatest game they can make which in turn will bring in $$$.
First off, sorry it wasn't very cleaned up or refined, just a rant.

I do love GGG/the game. I don't feel my money has been wasted in the slightest.
I reallllllyyyyy hope in the future they blow my mind, restore all my love & I start throwing moneys at the screen again!

After a day of thinking/reflection.

It's TRADE!!!!
I'm actually 'fine/happy' with the 'faster pace' of PoE. Sure I prefer how others like Grim Dawn feel more 'chunky/meaty' with there combat. But the idea of 'bigger' mobs with 'synergies attacks' even in white groups, is a good direction that can be refined.

The game is SOO built around, trade. The drops/sockets, no even having access to all gems from vendors, the rare enough for millions of players 'good drops'. Would all be 'fine', if there was a 'flowing' trade in game.

If the trade was 'fast paced' it'd fit in the game. At the moment, it's slow & frustrating time you have to spend OUT the game, then stopping mid game.

Mobile Phone Chat & Trade App!!!
OMFG this would soooooo do it for me! Not only can I keep in game and just look at another screen. Being able to poop while selling stuff, would (sadly I've got to admit) really rock my world. ;-P


The other big one, is... 'Something to chase over the long term'.
To lvl 100 just seems boring by itself. What do you do when 100? Get Demigods and AFK in town?
I'd love a 'grind gear' system where it had talent tree's N things to farm.


Ok it doesn't HAVE to be a grind gear system. Just SOMETHING more focused on many months/years of play. The games soooo focused on race/ladder the go's flat.

Hell it doesn't even HAVE to be power gain focused, just progression. Maybe colours/glows/looks.
Idk exactly, just SOMETHING, to keep polishing/loving our 'mains'/favs. Something to keep chasing and progressing.




Auto-Loot. Ok just a 'idea'. I'd love any QoL on ANYTHING that I 'click the same f'in thing every time I see it'. Aura's, minions etc on load.

Only 'build' I love in D3, is a gold finder/massive pickup range, using gold as armor/exp & heals. I LOVE that it lets me 'focus on the gameplay' not clicking shit on the ground I always pickup. (Currency not gear)


Map Highlight. It was added (and loved) for atlas. Could mousing over maps in the bank highlight same?




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leto2626 wrote:
Wow people still complaining about Premium Stash tabs? Even complaining about it when you have thousands of points? So tired of people complainign about minor things as if it's something world changing while a fascist became one of our world leaders. PoE is a game, GGG is a company, who gives a damn if in your world buying a stash tab is pay to win. You should seriously learn to be happy and enjoy a game.


^- It's the 'ethics' not the money. I LOVED for years being able to say 'GGG's cash shop doesn't give ANY player advantage. I'd rather give them MORE money than pay for this whale hugry MMO'

It's changed how I feel inside myself about giving $ to GGG.
They went from a 'hero' and full 110% respect from me to... well I dunno.

Another thing on this. The no GIFTS in Shop, means I can't just by friends one when they start the game.


As for your dig at me for I'm guessing Trump. Your EXACTLY the problem!
Ignorant, narrow minded, forcefully shutting down ANY convo about anything that isn't your agenda.
Let people talk, and say what they actually think. You don't have to agree, but you can open more convo on points you think you see a better way. Rather than just being abusive, having others keep to themselves, then get shocked at the outcome.

Example: Here's WHY I care more about pay to win/dirty feeling from GGG than Trump.

- This is a PoE/GGG forums, it's been realllllly good over the years with the dev's actually reading/making things better for there players.

- Trump won't have a Atlas, so even if 'nuked them all', I'll be safe. Ok, bit teasing but. Can fit 1 person per 2km (Around 1mile). 50megaton nuke bomb is as 'big/wide' as they get, as they go thru the stratosphere and vent to space, not getting any wider. I'm much much further away from anything with any 'tactically' reason to nuke. N the'd much more likely use one of the 'old/weak/cheap' nukes for around here due to cost.

- People seem to know Trumps a bit silly. So they will be much less likely to listen to him/follow him, particularly on dumb plans. (That's my hope anyway)

- Money. This is the one I'd worry about personally if I was a 'merican.
Over here, I think we sell 40% of the stuff we make to china.
We are on a 'gold standard' for our money. Meaning we have a rare 'item' to backup our cash.
Ya's are printing more and more money by the trillion, with nothing to back it up cept a smile & nod.
Ya's also owe china a crapload.
Oh and ya shadow budget is HUGE and getting bigger, tho can't say if that's good or bad as ya know, it's a secret. ;-P

- Bee's. We sell/export you them to you by the tons. Ya's should take better care of them!

- Our Crocks' are bigger N scarier than your 'gators.
Ok, not a important thing, but lots more fun to talk shop about!

- World Feels. I actually/care hope/feels more for NZ and the earthquakes.
I refuse to buy another item from the shop until Necros get some QOL improvements and buffs
It would be nice if we can improve the trading system, buyer clicks 'Buy' and the item is sold for you without having to interrupt your game and respond or even be online. When you log in it would show you what has been sold. In town or hideout there would be a 'trading board' you can look at which is synchronized with poe.trade or whatever the new system is called.

I'm also having a frustrating time with the trading system, since it's needed to reach higher levels (approx level 50+). People not responding or if they do they say wrong price/sold out and increase price, etc. I am new to the game and this is my main concern.

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