[2.6] CI Best Scourge ClawFlurry, Up to 134+ Mill DPS,Uber/Shaper/Guardians, Budget Version Inc.

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Completed 32 Challengeskushorange wrote:
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Completed 21 Challengeszabosnu wrote:


Yes, you can do your build as you wish. However, I 100% disagree with your statement that crit multi is more damage. It is not, not with the setup presented in the guide (with actual videos and gear selection in path of building). Void Manipulation (if your build is min/maxed properly) will give you much more damage. Please point out these poison immune mobs that are giving you this much trouble (i haven't found any). The toughest one that I can think of are the poison immune guardians, but they die in a second. So for 99.99% of the rest of the game, poison is unaffected.

Either you are not min/maxing correctly with your build (i.e. not using the correct flasks, gear, tree nodes) or some other variable is off that's not being revealed by you. We don't know your exact setup (gear, flasks, tree...etc), perhaps if you try to show what exactly you are using we can find out why you are not getting the numbers you should be.

Leech is not a problem at all, not sure how you are losing leech. It does not make any sense at all.

Don't forget that across the board all mobs have much less chaos resistance than all the other resistances. So by default the initial chaos hit will do more damage than the other types.



My profile is public with both my scourge characters being available to see. Why isn't yours?

Almost all your videos are the same ones from last league which is when you were using/recommending the crit multi gem. Where are the videos with the void gem? You even call it "world's fastest shaper kill" so wouldn't there be a new "world's fastest shaper kill" with the new void gem? I'm not being serious here, but my point still stands.

Yes, Poison Immune guardians are what I was referring. Besides shaper/atziri what other bosses can we use to demonstrate dps?

Most people aren't in standard with mirror items. They are playing league with the items they can trade and grind for. So yes, having an easier time with poison immune guardians is more important than killing shaper 5 sec faster - in my opinion.

I already said why I believe crit multi is the better choice, but there is certainly merits to the void manipulation gem and setups where it could be better. This is just my experience though.


First of all, I don't have time to post a brand new video for every fight. I am currently playing Legacy league (and Hardcore) on my stream, the build has been re-crafted and re-tested on live stream. The tree and the gear/links have been updated accordingly for 2.6, which is what you should be following. However, these statements have nothing to do with your original issue/subject so let's stick to that.

Only 2 of the guardians are poison immune, the other 2 are not. So your point does not stand. Literally for the rest of the 99.99% of the game you wish to do less damage? It does not make logical sense. I took a glimpse at your character, and you are not even using a void heart or the optimal damage flasks (thus you are not min/maxing properly according to the guide). You are also safer from reflect with the void gem.

Did you watch the Path of Building video that I've posted in the guide (it's done for legacy league)? It literally shows you all the gear that's used. Watch the video carefully (you can even skip to the end to see everything). Your build is different compared to what's posted in the guide, which is fine, but please do not generalize that crit multi is better than void manipulation.

Again, you can play your build however you like, but please do not make false statements that do not apply to this guide. You can make your own version of the build and post a guide about it where you do not wish to use poison stacks. My build is min/maxed for optimal total damage output that utilizes all sources of damage.
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Last edited by zabosnu on Apr 21, 2017 2:19:07 PM
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Completed 21 Challengeszabosnu wrote:
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Completed 32 Challengeskushorange wrote:
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Completed 19 ChallengesClouDz99 wrote:
Can someone explain to me how Void Manipulation is more dps than lets say crit multi?
Since u even lose some elemental damage from hatred and taste of hate?
Or is the damage increase to poison simply greater than overall damage with crit multi?

Explaination is much appreciated.


There is more "back-end" damage with Void Manipulation with the poison. It is dependent on wither totem and getting enough poison stacks though.

In my opinion using crit multi is far better for the reasons you said and others. Wither totem is not reliable enough.

A lot of people only look at the path of building numbers but don't factor in actual real life variables.


Don't forget about the chaos damage that's boosted by void on the initial hit(s) (extra chaos damage added from flasks and the tree). Its effectiveness can be seen against bosses, and wither is definitely a huge damage boost. For mapping I don't usually even use wither as the damage is high enough to one shot everything. You can test this out against Shaper, and you'll see the difference (you'll kill him much faster with a void gem than a crit multi). As you said, you'll have to factor in everything not just poison like in your example and I highly suggest testing the scenarios out (if properly min/maxed).


Thanks for the replies.

Guess i will just test it out and decide for myself which feels better, though we can all agree that void manipulation is better for shaper farming.
gggrrb on a Regalia. Ya....guess I won't be playing Blade Flurry. I aint paying 11:1 for chromes either. Guess Im done for the league. I sold my shavs too for a Regalia. What a mistake.
Last edited by DamageIncorporated on Apr 21, 2017 4:37:44 PM
shavs isn't viable? I was following this build and I was going to do low life build but it isn't in the build anymore, so it's not viable?
new meta is



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gggrrb on a Regalia. Ya....guess I won't be playing Blade Flurry. I aint paying 11:1 for chromes either. Guess Im done for the league. I sold my shavs too for a Regalia. What a mistake.


Hey Damage! I remember you from the LLF RF guide thread, whats up!

You can totally do this build with 2-2-2 regalia and it's not that hard to get 2-2-2




Then way down the road if you wanna try to min-max as much as possible and have the currency you can switch to 3G2R1B later.
Last edited by whoismiked on Apr 21, 2017 7:39:10 PM
Hey guys, finally killed my first Shaper with this build, but it was no where near as pleasant as the animated gif in the OP. I do maybe 1/10th that speed.

Can anyone check out my character and find out how to improve it?
Thanks.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Revnaut/characters
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Completed 40 ChallengesRevnaut wrote:
Hey guys, finally killed my first Shaper with this build, but it was no where near as pleasant as the animated gif in the OP. I do maybe 1/10th that speed.

Can anyone check out my character and find out how to improve it?
Thanks.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Revnaut/characters


Just a quick glance but you need to pick up the Assassination node asap, for 2 points that's 50% crit chance and 45% multi. I'd respec out of those 2 points before Gemini and come back to those later.

I have to run for now but perhaps I'll return later a taker a more in depth look and help if I can if someone else doesn't before then.

Cheers
Last edited by whoismiked on Apr 21, 2017 8:47:17 PM
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Completed 32 Challengeswhoismiked wrote:
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Completed 40 ChallengesRevnaut wrote:
Hey guys, finally killed my first Shaper with this build, but it was no where near as pleasant as the animated gif in the OP. I do maybe 1/10th that speed.

Can anyone check out my character and find out how to improve it?
Thanks.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Revnaut/characters


Just a quick glance but you need to pick up the Assassination node asap, for 2 points that's 50% crit chance and 45% multi. I'd respec out of those 2 points before Gemini and come back to those later.

I have to run for now but perhaps I'll return later a taker a more in depth look and help if I can if someone else doesn't before then.

Cheers


Hello friends. From what I can see, here are the few major issues that should be resolved:

1. You don't have any flat accuracy on your gear. Accuracy is extremely important as it is calculated twice (for the initial hit, and for the critical strike chance). Accuracy directly affects your DPS (and tool-tip), get as much of it as you can. You can get flat accuracy on the following: Rings, Amuelts, Gloves, Helmets.

2. You are missing the power charges on the tree. Power charges are very critical to this build, and are required to make this build function optimally.

3. I see that you don't have skyforth, that's fine. I would highly recommend using another method to generate power charges before serious boss fights (i.e. orb of storm - pcoc - faster casting - crit chance, you could also use jaws of agony in the weapon swap off hand (per the budget build setup) to generate your charges).

4. Your voidheart has a very low poison % chance (we don't really care for the bleed %), I would highly recommend using a divine or two to increase the % to poison (can reach up to 40%).

5. You could also use a sin's rebirth instead of taste of hate to give yourself even more damage (flasks should be used based on your needs, I usually have extra flasks in my inventory to swap them out when needed).


Hope this helps, test this out and let me know how it feels after the changes.
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Completed 32 Challengeswhoismiked wrote:
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gggrrb on a Regalia. Ya....guess I won't be playing Blade Flurry. I aint paying 11:1 for chromes either. Guess Im done for the league. I sold my shavs too for a Regalia. What a mistake.


Hey Damage! I remember you from the LLF RF guide thread, whats up!

You can totally do this build with 2-2-2 regalia and it's not that hard to get 2-2-2




Then way down the road if you wanna try to min-max as much as possible and have the currency you can switch to 3G2R1B later.


With douche bags asking 8:1, even 5:1 i'm pretty much fucked.

I went life based and bought a Daresso's.
Last edited by DamageIncorporated on Apr 21, 2017 11:37:53 PM

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