To Whoever Edits The Wiki.

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Vipermagi wrote:

I'm no great fan of Curse either, I just really don't understand why the server host is in any shape or form relevant to one's willingness to contribute.

From what I can tell of this thread, it's more political than anything else. What surprises me is that I've always perceived populism as a liberal viewpoint, and reading posts on these forums, you'd get the idea liberals are demons from Hell itself and everyone agrees. Yet, somehow, (through Trump?) disestablishmentarianism seems to have found its way into the minds of many who would call themselves quite the opposite of liberal.

Ahem.

What I mean to say by that is that many people have either never learned of, forgotten, or simply challenge the basic assumptions of, the benefits of free trade, and so anything capitalistic in nature appears as some ugly excess of greed, which disgusts certain people.

Probably the most significant complaint from such people is that there's no contract between players of the game and Curse that Curse will reinvest the money into server resources, which relates back to your comment about constant downtime and bad loading times. They're scared for the future because of a lack of preventive measure in the present, it seems. Or at least, that's what they seem to be saying to me.

EDIT: If anyone was curious, forum was eating my post because I forgot to close a bbcode tag >___>

If you're really against what Curse is doing, let their advertisers know that you wont support them. Coming to a game forum to vent makes you feel good, but doesn't accomplish much.

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Dorithe wrote:

I went ahead and edited wiki when my card The Stormcaller got added in and still saying I need citation needed for me being the creator ;-;

You do realize that there are trolls that likes to take credit for other peoples contributions right? Although your profile actually have some weight to it with that avatar, you can't always blindly trust what random editors add.

That's why "citation needed" is added, so that people stay critical and hopefully add these interesting behind-the-scenes threads/posts that the supporters sometimes creates.

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adghar wrote:

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Vipermagi wrote:

I'm no great fan of Curse either, I just really don't understand why the server host is in any shape or form relevant to one's willingness to contribute.

From what I can tell of this thread, it's more political than anything else.

I thought the recent lack of contribution was mostly due to curse firing the person who contributed the most to the wiki.

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vikroda wrote:

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adghar wrote:

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Vipermagi wrote:

I'm no great fan of Curse either, I just really don't understand why the server host is in any shape or form relevant to one's willingness to contribute.

From what I can tell of this thread, it's more political than anything else.

I thought the recent lack of contribution was mostly due to curse firing the person who contributed the most to the wiki.

The lack of contributions is about the same as it always been. This league a lot of things changed (div cards/mod format/maps/items) which was more noticeable to the readers. He isn't the top contributor, there are plenty of other people above him.

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Necromael wrote:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5axzne/psa_poe_wiki_is_a_wiki_if_you_are_frustrated_with/

I will quote some of the comments :

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"While curse can take all the money it makes on the poe wiki and other game wikis and put 0% of that money back into the wikis. They can use all that money on anything they want. This means all our hardwork doesnt help keep the wiki open, it doesnt help it get better, it doesnt help it get more servers or redundancy. It could be off pay for curse to buy out other game wikis or make stupid apps."

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In one hand I'm upset they, curse, profit off keeping the wiki up to date while perhaps entering very little information themselves. In the other I use adblock anyway.
I had added a few things before the full curse takeover.

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Why should we go out of our way to fix the information on a resource like the Wiki, which is an add-ridden, poorly scripted mess bought out by people who give zero fucks about the community?

First quote: "0% of that money" is a fallacy. They pay for the hosting, they pay for their staff, they pay for the overhead. And they give us a free, fairly reliable hosted wiki. Personally I'm ok with that.

Second quote: of course, it's there for the "experts" (ie: us, as players) to complete. It's a free CMS with free hosting.

Third quote: we should go out of our way to update it because we can also pull from that to use elsewhere. And that has been done multiple times. Heck, even GGG refers to it and some of their staff in their own personal time update it (under their private accounts).

Of course curse doesn't care about the community. They care about the service they provide. If we didn't use curse/gamepedia, we'd be using some other hosted service by another company or organization doing exactly the same thing.

I would gladly invest an hour per week for the wiki but not if i've to hunt every single informations missing from it.
The thing is it would make it easier if we had a forum thread dedicated to that where players can report what is missing or need an update.

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TwistedTrip wrote:

Ahhhh I see.

Yeah I would love to see the wiki owned by GGG, I doubt they could support their own and keep it as up to date as an unofficial one.

The one at curse is the official PoE-Wiki. I doubt they could call it that if GGG were against it.

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Mikrotherion wrote:

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TwistedTrip wrote:

Ahhhh I see.

Yeah I would love to see the wiki owned by GGG, I doubt they could support their own and keep it as up to date as an unofficial one.

The one at curse is the official PoE-Wiki. I doubt they could call it that if GGG were against it.

Uhmm, I feel like you might have misread what I was trying to explain there.

As an example, I mentioned if they did own thee official wiki. I doubt they would be able to keep up with an unofficial one (also as an example) just due to the number of players, their dedication and unlimited hours.

So as a dream arrangement, GGG owns the official wiki but players and staff work together to keep it up to date. As a followed example, it would be part of the website here and not owned by some third party/Curse. I'm sure some GGG staff contribute in an unofficial manner to the current one, but the thought of it being part of the PoE website, where mechanics and all things PoE could be broken down and catalogued together would be a lot more appealing.