Is a SSD mandatory?

I have not noticed any stutter derived from the game loading assets from the HDD after spending at least 30 seconds in Town after logging in to the game. I have however noticed various stutter when I switch from Predictive Networking mode to the other mode, I assume this is because the internet connection isn't completely stable/consistent.

The game is currently installed to a Western Digital Black FZEX HDD. Previously it was installed on a Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 drive.

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Nenjin wrote:

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Perq wrote:

SSD is mandatory if you want to consider your PC decent. Not only for PoE.

I mean - it is end of 2016 and some people still don't have SSD for games. .-. What is the point of buying i7 and 1080 Titan, if you wait 5 minutes on each loading screen?

HDD is obsolete. Deal with it.

Lol. This guy. If load times are the only thing holding a PC back then it's still doing pretty good. When content streaming is so intense in-game that your PC stutters, then it's time for an HDD.

For me with no SSD, POE just locks up for 30 seconds the first time I start it in a day. A bit longer if it's at peak times. Then from there it's smooth sailing.

Modern games can take up to 40Gb. Loading all of that shit from HDD takes ages. It is all cool that you can get 200 FPS, but what is the point if you have to wait 3 minutes every 30 minutes of gameplay. I'd much rather get ~70 FPS and be able to load stuff instantly.

Lets ignore that everything else is going to run faster. For typical user, there is no point getting HDD instead of SSD. Seriously, Sir This Guy.

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_Tiem wrote:

Then you don't know. Regular computer use? What's that? As if gaming were a separate activity lol. You know your OS writes/reads thousands of files any given minute right? It's not like it just sits there idle, grabbing a file or two if you need it lol. Just lol.

Regular computer use is what normal people use it for, internet, media, data storage (grandma's maple syrup cookie recipes for example), document related tasks (text management, scanning, printing), casual or browser games, you don't need an SSD for any of that.

Hard drive does have work all the time, but it's a true bottleneck only for very select types of tasks, if you do them for living you should tooting right buy one, but if you don't it isn't really necessary. Not saying it's too expensive or a pure luxury item, it just won't cut your work time as much as it feels it does (though I do agree that it feels mighty good).

And wasn't saying that I can't afford one, but I do understand that there are people who can't, or don't want to bother.

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raics wrote:

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_Tiem wrote:

Then you don't know. Regular computer use? What's that? As if gaming were a separate activity lol. You know your OS writes/reads thousands of files any given minute right? It's not like it just sits there idle, grabbing a file or two if you need it lol. Just lol.

Regular computer use is what normal people use it for, internet, media, data storage (grandma's maple syrup cookie recipes for example), document related tasks (text management, scanning, printing), casual or browser games, you don't need an SSD for any of that.

Hard drive does have work all the time, but it's a true bottleneck only for very select types of tasks, if you do them for living you should tooting right buy one, but if you don't it isn't really necessary. Not saying it's too expensive or a pure luxury item, it just won't cut your work time as much as it feels it does (though I do agree that it feels mighty good).

And wasn't saying that I can't afford one, but I do understand that there are people who can't, or don't want to bother.

Given how heavy even internet browsers tend to get nowadays, getting SSD for even the most trivial activities is a reasonable thing to do. And you need some sort of drive anyways, so you're much better of getting a smaller SSD, than a giant (1,5TB or some shit) HDD for the same money.
And if you are just a regular user, you don't really need 1,5TB of space, do you?
And bother? With what. Simply pick SSD over HDD. Pretty straight forwards, I'd say. :P

But I get what you are trying to say - SSD used to be a novelty, especially when they were VERY expensive for very small storage space. Nowadays, you can get reasonable sized SSD for the price of overly-huge HDD.
The area in which it is more beneficial to get a HDD is where you need huge amounts of storage space, and you don't want to spend gabazylions for SSD (and arguably don't need that space to be that fast). Some photo/video editing comes to my mind as first thing. But I'm pretty sure this is not a standard use of a computer, and honestly I'd bet far more people use their computers for gaming, than they do for photo/video editing.

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Perq wrote:

But I get what you are trying to say - SSD used to be a novelty, especially when they were VERY expensive for very small storage space. Nowadays, you can get reasonable sized SSD for the price of overly-huge HDD.

Indeed, I was laughing my ass off in the beginning of SSD craze, they were pretty bad compared to current models, reliability was sometimes questionable and you had to pay an arm and a leg for sizes that belong in nineties.

You couldn't really choose between one or the other until recently, you needed HDD for storage space one way or the other. You can get an SSD of reasonable size for a reasonable price now, right, but on the other hand things take up more space too, 40gb game installations, flac music, hd videos, gazillion megapixel pics even on your phone. I'd say HDD or SSD is a dilemma only for notebooks, for your home computer it's still HDD + SSD or just HDD.

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Perq wrote:

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Nenjin wrote:

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Perq wrote:

SSD is mandatory if you want to consider your PC decent. Not only for PoE.

I mean - it is end of 2016 and some people still don't have SSD for games. .-. What is the point of buying i7 and 1080 Titan, if you wait 5 minutes on each loading screen?

HDD is obsolete. Deal with it.

Lol. This guy. If load times are the only thing holding a PC back then it's still doing pretty good. When content streaming is so intense in-game that your PC stutters, then it's time for an HDD.

For me with no SSD, POE just locks up for 30 seconds the first time I start it in a day. A bit longer if it's at peak times. Then from there it's smooth sailing.

Modern games can take up to 40Gb. Loading all of that shit from HDD takes ages. It is all cool that you can get 200 FPS, but what is the point if you have to wait 3 minutes every 30 minutes of gameplay. I'd much rather get ~70 FPS and be able to load stuff instantly.

Lets ignore that everything else is going to run faster. For typical user, there is no point getting HDD instead of SSD. Seriously, Sir This Guy.

Waiting 30 seconds every 30 minutes? How about...waiting 30 seconds once?

Speed is in the eye of the beholder. If you can't stand seconds of boot/loading time, then you can't. Personally, having used computers for 25+ years, I remember 5 minute load times. Now? Waiting 15 seconds for Windows to boot, or a level to load, is trivial considering what it costs to solve the problem.

So Mr. ITS MANDATORY, YOU SCRUB. It's not. Not unless you've put yourself in the place where ANY DELAY AT ALL is unacceptable. This is a reality only for gamers for the most part. The rest of the world still accepts that things take time to happen, whether that's loading windows, opening your harddrive or reading in a document. It's not a matter of whether it takes time, it's how much time.

After the first 4 min of entering the game it is unplayeble on HDD for me.
I have to stand there, thumb in mouth waiting for game to load assets.
And after its done i start a map and.....supprise butsex when the game remembers to load more shit and i find myself dead.....

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DDusk wrote:

After the first 4 min of entering the game it is unplayeble on HDD for me.
I have to stand there, thumb in mouth waiting for game to load assets.
And after its done i start a map and.....supprise butsex when the game remembers to load more shit and i find myself dead.....

Did turning off async help any?

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Nenjin wrote:

Such elitism. Many wow.

I work in IT dealing with multiple servers running multiple databases for hundreds of customers operating 24/7. Guess what's not a "tech standard."

It's a luxury, still. You don't need an SSD to achieve 60 FPS in any game today, period. But people sure do love Windows booting up instantly!!111 (Versus 10 to 30 seconds.) Or shaving off seconds from occasionally large disk read/writes.

Call me when a 1TB SSD doesn't cost as much as a quality video card, or more appropriately, when a performance storage medium is no longer a status symbol for people on forums and is just everyday hardware.

Ok you are absolutely terrible at your job and hopefully your employers don't see this but are you seriously basing your views on the fact that server farms still use trading HDDs over SSDs as evidence? Lol. They do it because they run thousands of drives and replace hundreds of drives yearly. They do this because 1000x50 is better than 1000x90. It's called cost savings. Also they run RAID. Also they care about storage space not speed. Also lmao

Honestly I'm done. I can't believe the failfish arguments, like you guys are so disconnected from, well, everything...

Such stupid. Many wow. Elitism because SSDs are better tech. I have literally heard it all now lmao.

No, it's elitism because you're being such a total cockholster about it. You're at least right about them being superior tech.