POE = Stock market simulation
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" I am curious - how exactly you people "run the market"? And is there really any such groups in Leagues? Last edited by SunL4D2#6224 on Nov 5, 2016, 5:08:50 PM
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" See here's where the fallacy happens, and I'm god damn sick of it. Yes, trading is more efficient. Yes, this is an immutable fact inherent to trade. The problem is the sheer insurmountable gulf between trading and SSF. I's fucking massive, and it leads to the situation we have right now where the game has become a market simulator with a token ARPG tacked on. SSF will never achieve the same gear you can get via trading, it's not even remotely possible, and that's the issue. The actual gameplay is pointless beyond farming raw currency. This is a buff™
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" Heyo, how do I get into this You make my ochinchin go doki doki.
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" The issue here is that if we make it easier for self-found players to get specific items, it bleeds over into trading, making those items cheaper and still leaving trading as the more efficient path. And while you could make the items acquired through the guaranteed method unable to be traded you still need to figure a way for the guaranteed method to be available for self-found players while not impinging on those players who aren't playing self-found since any drop item could still drop for non-self-found characters. A new type of permanent league could work. One with a new npc in the towns and instead of the rng of other npcs' items they have the full range of unique items (with variations of all possible sockets and colours) available for varying amounts of a unique currency like Perandus or Silver Coins which only drops in the self-found league. Of course then you have the potential issue of two more permanent leagues diluting the player pool. ...and now that I think of it, that's still trading, just trading with an npc for one currency rather than trading with a player for exalts and chaos or whatever. " Only if you're not enjoying the gameplay itself. Ultimately though, I figure it falls under the same category of playing build A instead of Build Z. It may be more efficient but I just don't want to do it that way. "Let those with infinite free time pave the road with their corpses." - reboticon Last edited by crystalwitch#6044 on Nov 5, 2016, 9:38:46 PM
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" OH NO!!! Not the old "you don't have to trade" response (sic). Let's see now: 1. Trials and Lab is optional. 2. Challenge league is optional. 3. Races are optional. 4. Farming divi-cards is optional. 5. Ascendancy points are optional. 6. Atziri and uber Atziri is optional. 7. Players have even troll posted "endgame mapping is optional". 8. Trading is optional Wow, just as bad as all the people that have to do mental gymnastics to find something good to say about the American republican candidate. How in the world can you state "you don't have to trade" when you know full well that GGG has coded PoE around trading and if we go SSF route that our endgame choices are severely limited meaning we won't advance a build as far as those that do trade? Why not go all the way and state "playing PoE is optional." That explains why Garena is shutting down the Malaysia realm as "buying mtx is optional". After all PoE is "free to play" so any mtx is in truth "optional". If GGG thinks any of this is true then they are really biting the hands that feed them. By your logic then GGG should stop making new acts and concentrate on making PoE: ARPG Commodity Trading Simulator. Hmm... it does abbr. to ACTS. If this continues more likely GGG will get the financial AXE and be forced out of business. "You've got to grind, grind, grind at that grindstone..." Necessity may be the mother of invention, but poor QoP in PoE is the father of frustration. The perfect solution to fix Trade Chat: www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2247070 Last edited by Arrowneous#3097 on Nov 5, 2016, 10:19:34 PM
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" Several groups are in the leagues of course not just mine and I'm not going to tell you how we run shit it's shady af =x - Thread wise: I really do wish there was a way to you know NOT trade in this game to be decent in terms of you know actually having success to your build but that's not possible it really isn't. You trade because it's necessary but by all means you can handicap yourself I suppose. Dys an sohm Rohs an kyn Sahl djahs afah Mah morn narr Last edited by Coconutdoggy#1805 on Nov 5, 2016, 10:23:51 PM
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" This! The problem is the "power gap" between the play styles. Trading will ALWAYS be the most powerful/efficient way to play games like these. There's NO way around it, as long as we're talking about a "free market" as in PoE. No matter WHAT they do to cater a SSF play style, trading players will always be miles ahead. That is why some SSF QoL improvements to the game can't hurt. More incentives to play the GAME and not the MARKET. And I'm tired of people shouting out "you just want an easier game..". There nothing easier than to farm Dried Lake for chaos orbs, to buy everything you need. No matter what they do to cater SSF, you will ALWAYS have the chance to take the easy way out; trade for everything you need. Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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Not trading in poe is like shooting yourself into the knee, is like combining ci with eldritch battery or only spend every second skillpoint in the skilltree,...
I think most players goal is to make a powerful character. Spend hours in skilltree planner thinking about a cool build is pointless, if i will never ever get the required items. The better you understand the market the faster you get the items you want/need. Trade currency for profit like buy 1ex for 69c and sell them for 70c... Influence the market by shortage uniques or even currency ( for rich ppl ) Buy good items listed way to cheap on the tradehouse ( http://poe.trade/ ) and resell them. ... Comparison: Farming Dried Lake = ~ 10c/h Farming http://poe.trade/ = >100c/h I just want to kill monsters to get the items i want :(:(:( Last edited by Killu#2652 on Nov 6, 2016, 1:16:47 AM
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" Ye ye, come on ino. Why even mention it if you are not talking about details? Unless it's not a direct scam like price manipulation (and I don't recall much of this, except with Chayula but it's just one guy) or trying to scam newbies (somehow idk) - I don't see much problem here to tell anything. No need for wall of text with explicit details. It's pretty interesting stuff you know. Well of course unless you are just talking big as usual. I believe that cooperation can bring the fruits, but there is just so much more items on poe.trade than people who could do anything with it, so you probably run pretty much nothing. Currencie trade is another story but it's pretty much filled with inexperienced newbie traders who think that running lower than anyone else use ratio is a good idea. ... @OP What this streamer was doing again? Last edited by SunL4D2#6224 on Nov 6, 2016, 5:42:15 AM
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