The Minions Shaper Summon Are Ridiculously Broken

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I_NO wrote:
I am actually serious when I say the minions is the boss itself like I'm not joking on that if you can't do that phase you literally can not do the fight like at all like I find that kinda well stupid personally like I've done that on a game called Dark souls 1 aka Carpa demon mind you.

The minions themselves really do need to be toned down like I can't imagine doing this in like a burst build vs like my icestorm build vortex builds etc, That shit is stupid they really shouldn't be tanky like if you want to make them tanky at least make Zana not take 2042040240 dmg.



Pft

You basically one/two shot that crappy demon, he is weak to every single damage type AND black knight weapons.

Everything else you said about shaper was 110% accurate.
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GuardianJohn wrote:
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I_NO wrote:
I am actually serious when I say the minions is the boss itself like I'm not joking on that if you can't do that phase you literally can not do the fight like at all like I find that kinda well stupid personally like I've done that on a game called Dark souls 1 aka Carpa demon mind you.

The minions themselves really do need to be toned down like I can't imagine doing this in like a burst build vs like my icestorm build vortex builds etc, That shit is stupid they really shouldn't be tanky like if you want to make them tanky at least make Zana not take 2042040240 dmg.



Pft

You basically one/two shot that crappy demon, he is weak to every single damage type AND black knight weapons.

Everything else you said about shaper was 110% accurate.


You got a black knight weapon your first play through T_T? Or did you... *:) use the DRAKESWORD! :P
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Last edited by Coconutdoggy#1805 on Oct 17, 2016, 11:59:54 PM
I struggled to kill the Shaper's minions with 30k Caustic Arrow (dunno exactly since conc effect isn't displayed on tooltip) dot + 27k Essence Drain dot + Decay from bow + reduced chaos res from occultist' ascendancy and wither totem too.
Last edited by Serge91#5363 on Oct 18, 2016, 7:33:34 AM
arent they specifically chaos resistant? same with the chimera minions. like heavily chaos resistant.

Ive seen tons of chaos centered builds struggle wtih the adds phase


ive seen elemental builds shit all over them like it was a joke .. especially burn prolif builds


Last edited by Saltychipmunk#1430 on Oct 18, 2016, 8:28:27 AM
The minions cant even be data mined and no information is given out on them

all we can see from poe database is this - http://poedb.tw/us/mon.php?n=The+Shaper


The game is (again) NOT BALANCED

I would completely believe that there is no such thing as a balance team @ GGG

Because clearly nothing is being tested or balanced..

Has anyone on the balance team killed shaper?
How many builds did they use and try?
Did they make shaper or anything inside shaper completely mitigated against for Chaos Builds?

How is a warchief build slamming shaper minions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8_zhrqVAMA

But a CI 17k Essence Drain Build with way more currency investment cant deal with the minions at all?


Again im done with essence league, im not playing poe anymore, and if by the December update there has been no balance changes that shows removal of immunities or cancer changes GGG has put in then i will just quit the game.

Im not going to sit around and spend money let alone my time on a game that clearly doesnt give a sh*t about its players in HC
I'm pretty annoyed at how GGG's currently balancing the game. The top end content is so incredibly powerful that players who want to experience it have to choose from an incredibly narrow subset of builds. When you combine that with all the immunities GGG slaps on everything now, it means I'm fully locked out of experiencing the new end game content.

The increased tankiness of bosses alone killed most of my builds. The only think that kept them somewhat viable in boss fights was Decoy Totem. Now even that band-aid's gone, so my super slow self found characters are trash.
If that's of any consolation, reaching the Shaper is already a major feat on its own (in my opinion), probably putting you in the top 0.1% of the hardcore playerbase. No shame in calling it quits there.
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benjaminbona wrote:
So i decided to try shaper on my lvl 89 Occultist

I have the entire video recorded

The first fight was rigwald, a balanced fight where i was able to use range to my advantage and avoid most of his attacks. His behavior was a bit weird because when he would turn into a wolf sometimes he wouldnt chase me but.. other then that was a great boss battle

The second fight was with dominus, again balanced and a great fight.

The third boss was brutus, who i thought was the easiest since he was extremely slow

The final mini-boss i fought against was the crema boss. She was extremely annoying with her short cooldown teleport and self healing phases were annoying but i downed her too.

This is the first time i have ever fought shaper and had no previous experience with him

I manage to avoid and dodge almost all of his abilities, but then... he starts spawning minions..

HE STARTS SPAWNING MINIONS THAT ARE LIKE MINI BOSSES IN THEM SELVES!!!!!

THEY HAD SO MUCH HP!!!!

My Essence drain instantly kills Voll in dried lake, i didnt struggle with any of the t16 bosses before hand and they went down quite rapidly... but... the minions... the minions are so broken.


I was unable to continue the fight as i had to logout..

I came back in and asked for my friends to help me.
One of them had golems and went we went in we were in immunity phase but his golems werent.

His golems drew aggro and right when i whirling blades'd out i instantly died....



The fight is unbalanced as hell and the minions made it impossible for me to continue....


please do something... fix the shaper fight ffs....


I had about 16,000 ES and a ridiculous amount of gear, yet the hardest part of the fight was not any one of the bosses... it was the shaper spawned minions...


Whatever i quit...
im done with essence and ill probably even quit poe if i continue to see literally zero balance and constant nerfs to builds such as giving bosses immunities...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUq93L-r43I

Just use Vaal pact, ES, vinktar flask, diying sun, ghost reaver, leech and more leech to achieve demigod status.
Last edited by Apocalich#2082 on Oct 18, 2016, 8:25:53 PM
OMG lol..

I've now heard from alot of people that the shaper minions -

1. Have Huge Chaos Res
2. Have reduced Curse Effect mainly towards temporal chains
3. Have Way Too Much Life/Defense/Damage



Sigh... like ive been saying for months now... the builds that can really kill these end game bosses are dwindling down...

Im so limited to what i can do that it feels like its not even worth doing....


Oh well i guess like the guy above said, i made it to shaper in HC and i suppose im amongst the upper tier of HC Poe Players... but im still upset at this league's content etc... the nerfs that were put in place...

They nerfed coc but put it back on a weapon - cospri's
They nerfed frost wall which both la,kb,ea used for single target
They nerfed curse effectiveness
They nerfed Armor builds by implementing a ton of Ele Dmg skills and abilities on bosses
They nerfed COMK Worms
They nerfed Leveling gloves and boots from essence mods
They nerfed EarthQuake a bit
They nerfed support gems like pierce/less duration
They nerfed juggernaut/slayer ascendancy/elementalist ascendancy
They nerfed poison
They nerfed traps/mines
They nerfed "Ghost busting"
They nerfed exp gain not only with a ridiculous penalty at 95 but made it so penalties apply sooner if u stay in the area for additional levels.. aka you cant dried lake till 85 like you used to etc etc
They nerfed poison/bleed/ignite builds by making some guardians immune/some bosses immune





Nerf-nerf-nerf-nerf-nerf-nerf every god damn patch i swear...



every patch the # of viable end game HC builds continue to dwindle down
every patch we see more nerfs and little to no buffs

All the above are nerfs from atlas of worlds... and all they buffed were fireball/icespear and some tiny buffs to some other skills honestly not a big deal compared to the nerfs (which were skills none used) ((and in an interview chris wilson said - we dont want to nerf builds that none uses Heres the time stamp of that - https://youtu.be/Hjh_2uIHirM?t=10m15s - "increasing the bad things in vain"

.. yup... what the F*ck was the ice spear and fireball buff?

Theres a previous interview where he goes more indepth about talking about not touching skills that everyone likes but tbh theres no point in me going back to find it because at this point nothing that chris wilson says has any meaning because in all his interviews his answers go completely against what we can clearly see in the patch notes.))



If anyone wants heres my full indepth overview of his last interview =


Spoiler
https://youtu.be/Hjh_2uIHirM?t=10m15s


10:30 - i dont believe every skill needs to be good


10:50 - whirling blades 2 op we need to nerf it (face palm.. its like the one good movement skill at the moment..)


12:17 - i like the idea of there being 10-15 builds instead of 100 builds (wow... this was def not the original idea of playing poe.. being able to customize and make ur own build? he would rather there be little to no build diversity for end game... wooow.... wooooooooww..)


15:00 - elemental hit - players saying please dont nerf ele hit
- none has ever said this ever... this is 100% bull
If he is talking about 1 person writing a complaint about elemental hit being changed... I.. I just dont even.


15:40- says when we changed shock nova, we upset players so we dont wanna do that...
Who?!?


16:10- we could rework skills and balance them, but we would make players unhappy and lose player base....
wat?


17:20- explains logically that the game could be balanced by buffing the weaker things and not touching the strong abilities, then says uve seen what happens on reddit when we nerf skills...
- they kill coc and many builds not giving a sh*t about reddit or anyone.


26:15 - over 1 week into the league he says the most popular is greed essence... even though the meta is woe and ci is way more overpowered.. as a game dev he thinks people are still mostly playing life builds in SC/HC .... even though everyone is doing Pathfinder CI Blade Vortex


35:15 - We want rare mods to stay as is instead of adding unique mods to rare items.


36:30 - There are BiS (best in slot)items like brass dome for juggernaut.. are there going to be more? - chris follows up by saying he doesn't like high level uniques... in atlas of worlds almost all the new unique items are high level.


38:30- It would be bad to make a gated boss which doesnt drop gg uniques... he just complained that he doesnt like gg uniques. just contradicting himself? If you dont like good gg uniques then make bosses drop... idk maps? currency? crafting orbs????? Hello? Lead dev? Hello?


42:15- We are seeing higher engagement in high map tiers, but this doesnt have anything to do with increased drop rates he says.....


51:00 - Ci vs Life , chris says theres a "debate" over which one is better.. even though ci is vastly better with vaal disc etc. Doesnt even know whats going on with the game.. theres no debate CI is so much better and easier to build around vs life...


54: 00 Chris says hes never played a CI character... as a f**king lead dev? , admits that CI is much better then Life and that people usually start life builds and transition to CI when they have currency


So first he says, "oh theres a debate over life vs ci they are both so good" kappa.

Then he says ci is better, and is endgame as we can clearly see and know for a fact its better


56:00 - PT explains how ridiculous it is to get life vs CI and the life builds are still getting rekt. Then chris says " this is a difficult question to solve " .... what? its not... make life % nodes more effective? buff blood magic? da f**k? Lead dev saying he doesnt know how to fix ci vs life


5:13- talks about the atlas of worlds balance was focused on end game, so they "worked hard on making essence league in their face"

finding bottom tier whispering essences in maps = worked hard and " in our face "


9:21 - talks about vaal galacial hammer and says "its so cool, none sees this, you put an arena around you and the mob to fight......" the 6% wasnt enough he says...

10:15 - talks about fixing skills and balancing skills - he says its not a problem if more people choose 1 thing over another.
Then says he doesn't want to make the vast majority unhappy by reduced the good skills
and buffing the bad skills in vain


This is 100% f**kign wrong...
they buffed fireball and ice spear
none fucking used those skills
and nerfed the majority used meta skills/builds
Last edited by Bloomania#2606 on Oct 19, 2016, 12:48:34 AM
BTW

I uploaded the video of the rip

Key notes as to why i ripped

1. Didnt have an answer for the minions
2. Tried to have friends help but since they had golems mob drew aggro to us right when we entered the zone...
3. I Whirled into the balls and killed myself instead of just logging out once i saw we were doomed.

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