[2.6] THE NEW FAKENER | DISCHARGE | SUPER FAST STRANDS | Cospris Malice | 9k+ ES | STILL GREAT AOE

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PaigrandeTV wrote:
just comparing this build whit Aim_Deep build :)and i am between this and his https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1724170/page/1 :) maiby u can advice me litle got 50 ex budget.


If you like to clear with shield charge, use my build. If you don't want to shield charge, go with his build.
The New Fakener: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1740806
The Freezerator: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1748363
Elementalist EK Prolif: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1896772
Clearspeed Berserker: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1956548
just comparing this build whit Aim_Deepbuild :)and i am between this and his https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1724170/page/1 :) maiby u can advice me litle got 50 ex budget.

ok :) what abour t16 bosses ? as much i am reading comments whit ur build it is litle harder to doo hard bosses? Just want my build whit 50 ex budget could doo anything decently in game and good clear speed only thing i am not intrested is shaper so dont care about that .and i think thatkinda budget should be enough for those things. :) thank you for ur replay :)
Last edited by PaigrandeTV on Oct 16, 2016, 2:10:24 PM
woooo just had to come and celebrate

took about 3900 chromes but finally got 4GBB :D

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PaigrandeTV wrote:
just comparing this build whit Aim_Deepbuild :)and i am between this and his https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1724170/page/1 :) maiby u can advice me litle got 50 ex budget.

ok :) what abour t16 bosses ? as much i am reading comments whit ur build it is litle harder to doo hard bosses? Just want my build whit 50 ex budget could doo anything decently in game and good clear speed only thing i am not intrested is shaper so dont care about that .and i think thatkinda budget should be enough for those things. :) thank you for ur replay :)


Minotaur was easy for me with this build ! and i was first used Aim's build then changed for this build and i like it more !
v1tAm1n^
Last edited by Nasferatus on Oct 16, 2016, 5:50:16 PM
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Cor_Blimey wrote:
woooo just had to come and celebrate

took about 3900 chromes but finally got 4GBB :D



Ayy gz!



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PaigrandeTV wrote:
just comparing this build whit Aim_Deepbuild :)and i am between this and his https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1724170/page/1 :) maiby u can advice me litle got 50 ex budget.

ok :) what abour t16 bosses ? as much i am reading comments whit ur build it is litle harder to doo hard bosses? Just want my build whit 50 ex budget could doo anything decently in game and good clear speed only thing i am not intrested is shaper so dont care about that .and i think thatkinda budget should be enough for those things. :) thank you for ur replay :)


Just uploaded a t16 Twinned Temp chains Hexproof Vaal ruins JUST FOR YOU :) Check main post. I have also done all guardians deathless.
The New Fakener: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1740806
The Freezerator: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1748363
Elementalist EK Prolif: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1896772
Clearspeed Berserker: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1956548
Ill give some pcoc dps values assuming you are discharging 10 times per sec with 7/6 possible charges. We have to make some assumptions to simplify this:
1. We are at 6/6 charges when we don't have extra charge from pcoc gem, becouse otherwise the charge would be useless in some cases since you would be 7/6 charges anyways.
2. Endurance and power does same damage (which isnt true, lvl 20 discharge does 275.5 per endu and 310 per power)
3. We are fighting over 5 seconds so that we have 10 stacks of blade vortex.
4. We don't account the extra crit chance and mult you would get as an assassin since that would make the math too complex for simple example like this.

So in total we discharged (6+6)*10=120 charges without accounting pcoc gem.

Level 20 Power charge on crit gem has 54% chance to give a charge so we get 0.54*10 = 5.4 power charges on average from the gem with 10 blade vortex stacks. We clicked couple of times cyclone during that time span so lets be optimistic and say we got 1.6 charges from those cyclones to make a nice round number.

So now we have 5.4+1.6=7 extra charges from the pcoc gem. That leads to a 7/120 more damage. Thats about 6%.

So all in all I would say the gem is not worth to use. In general mapping you never have max stacks anyways (more like 1-3). So the damage increase is nonexistent in those cases. Also in some cases you would discharge anyways with max charges so the extra charge wouldn't give you anything.
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sampee wrote:
Ill give some pcoc dps values assuming you are discharging 10 times per sec with 7/6 possible charges. We have to make some assumptions to simplify this:
1. We are at 6/6 charges when we don't have extra charge from pcoc gem, becouse otherwise the charge would be useless in some cases since you would be 7/6 charges anyways.
2. Endurance and power does same damage (which isnt true, lvl 20 discharge does 275.5 per endu and 310 per power)
3. We are fighting over 5 seconds so that we have 10 stacks of blade vortex.
4. We don't account the extra crit chance and mult you would get as an assassin since that would make the math too complex for simple example like this.

So in total we discharged (6+6)*10=120 charges without accounting pcoc gem.

Level 20 Power charge on crit gem has 54% chance to give a charge so we get 0.54*10 = 5.4 power charges on average from the gem with 10 blade vortex stacks. We clicked couple of times cyclone during that time span so lets be optimistic and say we got 1.6 charges from those cyclones to make a nice round number.

So now we have 5.4+1.6=7 extra charges from the pcoc gem. That leads to a 7/120 more damage. Thats about 6%.

So all in all I would say the gem is not worth to use. In general mapping you never have max stacks anyways (more like 1-3). So the damage increase is nonexistent in those cases. Also in some cases you would discharge anyways with max charges so the extra charge wouldn't give you anything.



I know the 6/6 charges 10 times per second is an assumption but where are they coming from? I assume the charges are generated by voll's protector which has a 100% to give a PC on crit, and pcoc is about half of that so it increases our PC generation by 50% if I'm not wrong (I know the pcoc is not affecting discharge but that doesn't play that big of a role) and I don't think we need any complicated calculations to prove my statement.

Also pcoc is helping us get to those max charges quicker. If you got 10 stacks of BV you had to crit atleast 10 times with cyclone and 10*0.54=5.4 so idk where you got 1.6 from cyclone.

Also if you're only counting that many hits its not fair to assume we're discharging with 6/6 charges because we can't just pull them out of our ass, we have to generate them somehow and if pcoc supposedly generated 7 charges then voll's portector with double the chance to generate a pc would have generated 14 not 120.
Also I'm sorry to say this but your math is not correct.

Correct Math:
Let's not factor in our power/end charge cap to make this simpler (We rarely even reach max charges anyway)
From your assumption we crit 10times with cyclone=10 pc
10 stacks of BV= 10pc
Discharge goes off 10 times=10
Total generated from Voll's protector=30
cyclone (pcoc)- 10*5.4=5.4
BV (pcoc)- 10*5.4=5.4
Total generated from pcoc=10.8

So Roughly 33% dmg increase
Last edited by kubaslov on Oct 16, 2016, 10:57:22 PM
BTW how does this build survives if i run out of potions and if i didnt miss something no warlords mark? Thank you for the video btw :)

hey i see u got elemental equilibrum taken :) how does this work exactly i know i should have some elemental damage somewhere and some not
Last edited by PaigrandeTV on Oct 17, 2016, 3:02:22 AM
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PaigrandeTV wrote:
BTW how does this build survives if i run out of potions and if i didnt miss something no warlords mark? Thank you for the video btw :)

hey i see u got elemental equilibrum taken :) how does this work exactly i know i should have some elemental damage somewhere and some not


The way it works is you get "added cold dmg to attacks" on a piece of gear which makes it so every target u hit gets less resistant towards fire and lightning and since ur discharging endurance and power charges which deals fire and lightning dmg the elemental equilibrium increases your dps by quite a lot.
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PaigrandeTV wrote:
BTW how does this build survives if i run out of potions and if i didnt miss something no warlords mark? Thank you for the video btw :)

hey i see u got elemental equilibrum taken :) how does this work exactly i know i should have some elemental damage somewhere and some not


The way it works is you get "added cold dmg to attacks" on a piece of gear which makes it so every target u hit gets less resistant towards fire and lightning and since ur discharging endurance and power charges which deals fire and lightning dmg the elemental equilibrium increases your dps by quite a lot.


you have COLD damage on Cospri's malice
v1tAm1n^

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