Working as intended? Or a bug?

Hello, I was wondering if there's a technical reason why using the combination of Eye of Innocence and The Rat Cage doesn't proc Vaal Molten Shell when you ignite. The wording suggests that it would, considering VMS procs whenever it prevents physical damage and The Rat Cage converts fire damage you take to physical. Thank you for the help.
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My guess is that the damage from Eye of Innocence is just damage taken and is not considered to be a "hit." [Nope - I guessed wrong.] Vaal Molten Shell procs on physical damage from a hit. (You also need to mitigate some amount of the physical damage to proc it.)

If you receive a hit of fire damage from an enemy, presumably the Rat Cage would convert a portion of this to physical damage and trigger Vaal Molten Shell since this would be damage from an actual hit.

Edit: I am going from the wording on the VMS gem, which says "any physical damage from a hit," whereas the patch notes simply state "any physical damage" and don't clarify that the hit requirement remains.


Edit2: As often happens when guessing, I appear to have been incorrect about this. Secondary damage taken from a unique in this way does appear to be considered a hit. See below.
Last edited by Pehr on Sep 13, 2016, 5:51:09 PM
That would make sense, but it works with Heartbound Loop. That and Eye of Innocence have similar wording in that you take damage. The difference is the type of damage, which leaves me to believe that it doesn't work correctly with The Rat Cage.
That is interesting that it works for Heartbound Loop, but not for Eye of Innocence with the Rat Cage.

Further checking some resources, I note the following which appear to indicate that I was incorrect:


i) Mark_GGG recently answered a question on mechanics related to Heartbound Loop which states that the damage taken from this unique is considered to be a hit:

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1718488
Spoiler

Is there any difference between Scold's Bridle/Heartbound Loop damage taken, and between hiltless "reflected" damage?

Yes.

If so, where exactly (aside from the fact that the reflected damage can be blocked/dodged etc..)?

The primary difference is that the reflected damage is reflected damage, which carries a whole bunch of rules baggage. Reflected damage cannot trigger on-hit effects, for example. The other two are just hits of regular secondary damage you deal to yourself. They are more different than they are similar.

Does damage taken from Heartbound Loop count as 'your hits'?

I would need to know in what context to answer this conclusively, but probably yes.



ii) According to the Wiki (admittedly not infallible), of the four main types of damage in POE, only damage over time is not considered to be a hit. Attack, spell, and secondary damage are all considered to be hits.

See:
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Hit
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Damage#Secondary_Damage


Sorry, looks like I was probably mistaken. Doesn't answer your question, though. :c
This appears to have been patched in build 2.4.0h today:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1745771

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Fixed a bug where the Fire Damage taken as Physical Damage mod found on the Rat Cage unique item wasn't working.
The Rat Cage and Eye of Innocence still don't trigger Vaal Molten Shell. Still looks bugged to me. Tested on my cast-on-ignite test character with two RotSS, Emberwake, 112% chance to ignite, and EoI.
Let's make a league about what players hate most: Opening doors, but even more slowly, backtracking through areas, clicking things that aren't in stacks excessively, escorting NPCs, losing everything on death, bugs, and crashes.
Hey guys, there were two problems with the Rat Cage. Today, we put out a fix for one of the problems (X% of Fire Damage taken as Physical Damage). There is still an issue with having Vaal Molten Shell proc off of converted damage (in this case, Fire --> Physical).

We will have a fix out for this as soon as we can. Sorry for any confusion caused by the patch note. I can see how that would lead people to believe this interaction would be working now :(
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Hartlin_GGG wrote:
Hey guys, there were two problems with the Rat Cage. Today, we put out a fix for one of the problems (X% of Fire Damage taken as Physical Damage). There is still an issue with having Vaal Molten Shell proc off of converted damage (in this case, Fire --> Physical).

We will have a fix out for this as soon as we can. Sorry for any confusion caused by the patch note. I can see how that would lead people to believe this interaction would be working now :(

bummer :( i waited so long for this
but this means it should work right? once the bug is fixed ofcourse
my builds:
- COLB (Cast On Last Breath) first ever build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1632595
- the Flash: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1367774
- the oro's bridle build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1409823
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Hartlin_GGG wrote:
Hey guys, there were two problems with the Rat Cage. Today, we put out a fix for one of the problems (X% of Fire Damage taken as Physical Damage). There is still an issue with having Vaal Molten Shell proc off of converted damage (in this case, Fire --> Physical).

We will have a fix out for this as soon as we can. Sorry for any confusion caused by the patch note. I can see how that would lead people to believe this interaction would be working now :(


Any ETA on that fix hartlin? im not expecting a "oh yeah its out next tuesday" but more a "yeah we have a few leads on what it might be, couple patches from now maybe" kind of answer would be great.
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Hartlin_GGG wrote:
Hey guys, there were two problems with the Rat Cage. Today, we put out a fix for one of the problems (X% of Fire Damage taken as Physical Damage). There is still an issue with having Vaal Molten Shell proc off of converted damage (in this case, Fire --> Physical).

We will have a fix out for this as soon as we can. Sorry for any confusion caused by the patch note. I can see how that would lead people to believe this interaction would be working now :(


Really hoping to see this change soon....
Let's make a league about what players hate most: Opening doors, but even more slowly, backtracking through areas, clicking things that aren't in stacks excessively, escorting NPCs, losing everything on death, bugs, and crashes.

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