I feel like stacking HP is the best way to go...

imo they shouldnt NERF the life-nodes but BUFF them instead:

make 8% nodes -> 15% nodes

make +20 Life-nodes -> +50 Life-nodes

there would be no more need to choose just hp-nodes, because you would have enough life with a few of them. and bang -> you buff everything else in a build, cause everyone can now choose the imba-damage-crit-evasion-nodes...

Working as intended.

Skill trees are not here to create diversity, they are here so you can fail a few characters before you get the right build, this way you can enjoy leveling new characters.

D2 was praised for this awesome feature.

change 8% health to 2% so it will be balanced

Or you could remove it, so players will have to actually play the game to survive, istead of just faceroll

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almassokk wrote:

change 8% health to 2% so it will be balanced

Or you could remove it, so players will have to actually play the game to survive, istead of just faceroll

first change would just cause that you would have to pick every single HP node in tree because your arse will be kicked..

Second change would make this game unplayable..


Easy fix would be reduce damage of monsters AND players..

and then fix armor..

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Edradour wrote:

imo they shouldnt NERF the life-nodes but BUFF them instead:

make 8% nodes -> 15% nodes

make +20 Life-nodes -> +50 Life-nodes

there would be no more need to choose just hp-nodes, because you would have enough life with a few of them. and bang -> you buff everything else in a build, cause everyone can now choose the imba-damage-crit-evasion-nodes...

But then they'd STILL just collect all the HP nodes, and the disparity would only increase.


They should probably, honestly, just REMOVE some of the HP nodes. That's right, just remove them, so that players would collect those near them and then actually want to spec into other areas as it would no longer be most efficient to put so many points into the tree to get to the next batch of HP nodes.

"But wait," some of you cry, "that'll just make HP stacking less effective/possible!"

Exactly. It'd be more in balance with the other defensive means.

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flammy2000 wrote:

Working as intended.

Skill trees are not here to create diversity, they are here so you can fail a few characters before you get the right build, this way you can enjoy leveling new characters.

D2 was praised for this awesome feature.

Then what is here to create diversity and separate each character you make from being the same?
I agree with you though, the skill tree is currently setup to make you fail unless you stack HP nodes and regen nodes instead of trying to make a balanced build. A 1350 point passive skill tree where about 1200 points are completely useless.

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VideoGeemer wrote:

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Edradour wrote:

imo they shouldnt NERF the life-nodes but BUFF them instead:

make 8% nodes -> 15% nodes

make +20 Life-nodes -> +50 Life-nodes

there would be no more need to choose just hp-nodes, because you would have enough life with a few of them. and bang -> you buff everything else in a build, cause everyone can now choose the imba-damage-crit-evasion-nodes...

But then they'd STILL just collect all the HP nodes, and the disparity would only increase.


They should probably, honestly, just REMOVE some of the HP nodes. That's right, just remove them, so that players would collect those near them and then actually want to spec into other areas as it would no longer be most efficient to put so many points into the tree to get to the next batch of HP nodes.

"But wait," some of you cry, "that'll just make HP stacking less effective/possible!"

Exactly. It'd be more in balance with the other defensive means.

The problem isn't health, it's that armour and evasion are basically junk. If armour and evasion were decent, people would not need so many HP nodes, and therefore would not take them, unless perhaps if they were playing hardcore.

Just tweak the high end numbers for armour and evasion (and possibly ES). Problem solved.

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Sir_Wabbit wrote:

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StinkFinger wrote:

HP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ES >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evasion >>>>>>>> Armor

Armor is garbage... HP is KING!!!

who uses comic sans? this is 2013 not 1996 xD

That isn't comic sans.

Viable defensive passive builds:

1.
Passives: +HP%, HP Regen
Gear: Armour/Evesion, HP

2.
Passives: +HP%, %Armour
Gear: Armour, HP ,HP regen

3.
Passives: +HP%, Evasion
Gear: Armour/Evasion, HP

I could list many more but my point is that you're doing it wrong.

Stacking only Armour or Evasion passives and gear is a sure path to failure.
They are not designed to be used by them selves.
In your case what you should be doing is build Armour passives and HP passives with Armour Gear with +HP, Hp regen, mods and a Coral Necklace and/Or grab at least one 1.5% hp regen node if your near one.

HP is strong because it's the primary stat of the whole game without it you are dead.
That being said, you grab some armour passives and decent armour gear along with that and you'll end up pretty tanky. Doesn't mean you can perma face tank bosses/rares cause that's just a stupid tactic to use.
Would you stand still in front of your enemy and take hit after hit in real life? No you've move a bit at least.

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StinkFinger wrote:

Armor is borked... The way physical damage reduction is calculated, is just retarded for lack of a better word. The formula they came up with for it, must have been after a long bender or something. In it's current state, you're gimping yourself if your priority is armor, and you're gimping yourself worse then Stephen Hawking.

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Yet then here's armor... Stack the shit out of it, still take ridiculously insane amounts of physical dmg from white mobs, blues/rares still wack the fuck out of you, and bosses, well armor is absolutely worthless there.

What needs changing is how physical damage is reduced through armor, and maybe even a look at evasion...

Interesting that you mention Hawking... I mean, I´d definitely gimp myself even worse than him if I would become the next most intelligent person on the planet in turn...

Regarding the armor stuff... yeah, it is annoying sometimes when you have ridiculously high AR but get oneshot by bosses. But if you think about it, it actually makes sense. I know, this is a fantasy world and all, but seriously, how realistic would it be to have a full plate mail and survive being rolled over by a tank? The most effective armor mankind has come up with until today cannot protect you against the most effective or most hard-hitting weapons/means of killing mankind could come up with. That is simple logic and has nothing to do with fanboyism (I know, you will throw logic overboard anyways and twist words), because the way man thinks goes like this:

I know armor of type X is craftable because I can make it. If I should someday face an opponent protected by armor X, I need to craft weapons with power of X+1 to defeat him.

Now imagine what the forces of hell in a fantasy world are capable of. The amount of armor a human being can wear is limited. Therefor there will always be some type of weapon or force that can totally negate protective means whatsoever. Especially in a fantasy world where there are unimaginable powers in action. Yes, you can now come up with something like "Warhammer 40k power armor or Terminator armor" but remember, even that stuff is no protection against Lascannons, giant creatures like a Bloodthirster or even a plasma pistol. Mind you, I am not talking about balancing here, but about logic. And it´s an insult to my capacity of thinking (and it should be an insult to yours) when a game tries to tell me one can negate the effect of an atomic bomb by simply wearing a metal suit - even if it is magically imbued.

So yeah, the formula makes sense. It is frustrating, but it makes sense...


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