Dev Response on Melee Balance....

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TremorAcePV wrote:

What I think should happen:

The loot system should be set up as such that ranged are not given time to get loot as much. This would give melee the distinct advantage of getting first dibs on loot. But that's a loot system debate, so not going there.

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DarkZenith wrote:

Is that not already the case?

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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DarkZenith wrote:

Is that not already the case?

Nope. The timer takes into account how far the players are away from the loot. That means if you are ranged, you get a distinct advantage.

It also takes into account lag. So if you are melee but have enough lag to counter-balance the ranged players lag+distance, your name is on the timer.

The idea behind the timer was that no one get the loot with the timer still on it. It was set up so that whoever it would take the longest to get the item had his name on it, that way the moment he got to it, everyone could get it. That way, everyone would have a chance. Equally.

It fails. Obviously. But not the point.

That's why everyone thinks the loot is theirs. It's not. They just have the worst lag+distance combination.

And that's why everyone gets mad because others take their loot. The system assumes the player will go straight for the loot the moment it drops, so they rarely get to it with the timer still on it.

However, the lag you had the moment it dropped is not the lag you have while you travel to it, so that changes things too. Meaning that if I have massive lag the moment it drops, it has a large time on it (related to whether its unique or magic of course, that matters too), but my lag goes away immediately after it drops, so I can walk up and pick it up, as the timer is still on for me.

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iniquitouslegion wrote:

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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DarkZenith wrote:

Is that not already the case?

Nope. The timer takes into account how far the players are away from the loot. That means if you are ranged, you get a distinct advantage.

It also takes into account lag. So if you are melee but have enough lag to counter-balance the ranged players lag+distance, your name is on the timer.

The idea behind the timer was that no one get the loot with the timer still on it. It was set up so that whoever it would take the longest to get the item had his name on it, that way the moment he got to it, everyone could get it. That way, everyone would have a chance. Equally.

It fails. Obviously. But not the point.

That's why everyone thinks the loot is theirs. It's not. They just have the worst lag+distance combination.

And that's why everyone gets mad because others take their loot. The system assumes the player will go straight for the loot the moment it drops, so they rarely get to it with the timer still on it.

However, the lag you had the moment it dropped is not the lag you have while you travel to it, so that changes things too. Meaning that if I have massive lag the moment it drops, it has a large time on it (related to whether its unique or magic of course, that matters too), but my lag goes away immediately after it drops, so I can walk up and pick it up, as the timer is still on for me.

bullshit

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Charan wrote:

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iniquitouslegion wrote:

bullshit

As much as I feel compelled to berate you for being so callous and brutal, iniquitous, and would encourage you to be more elaborate in your disagreement in future, I cannot entirely say you're wrong in your dismissal of this assessment of the loot timer's function.

What I can say is if this turns into another loot discussion thread I'll lock it quicker than you can say 'hey that was mi--'

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TremorAcePV wrote:

The idea behind the timer was that no one get the loot with the timer still on it. It was set up so that whoever it would take the longest to get the item had his name on it, that way the moment he got to it, everyone could get it. That way, everyone would have a chance. Equally.

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ThirstyGhost wrote:

You make it sound so easy. "Just fix melee" is much harder than that.

In a game like this, difficult progression only has so far that it can go without increasing mob damage output. One-shots suck when they happen to you, but I feel like they are a necessary part of difficulty progression in a game like this. Maybe one-shots vs trash mobs shouldn't be a thing, but getting crit by 4 Pyromancer balls with Vulnerability on you really needs to kill you regardless. That's the problem with melee, in order to do damage, you need to be in a situation where you are going to get one-shot in end-game maps and there isn't really anything that can be done about that.

By nature of HC, some builds will just NOT be viable end-game, why should melee builds get some sort of exemption from this? No build that does not take any +Life (or +ES in the case of CI) will ever be viable in HC, why are we not allowed to say the same for any build that focuses on melee? It's just the nature of the beast.

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xenogias wrote:

I think most of us who want to play melee realise ranged will always be more powerfull and are fine with that.