You guys knew Chaos conversion was OP..

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grepman wrote:

what exactly is out of context for that quote, please explain. if you don't explain, we all can say that you decided to simply, well, lie.

Chris was directly asked about power creep, and that's what he chose to reply with, clearly indicating that the current game design contradicts the game's original intent. He clearly stated that poe is a game that people play when coming after a tough day to relax, kill mobs and watch tv while playing it. and that the game is not focused anymore on the core base that is on reddit

so please, explain- how is the quote 'out of context' ? this quote was a spit in the face of players such as myself. and your quote is equally insulting because you're hiding behind context in attempts to justify it

Oh the explanation is clear...Chris said WHITE MOBS should be, ideally, so easy to kill you're not really paying attention, you could watch TV while clearing WHITE MOBS. He then said, JUST AFTER, that ideally the game would also have difficulty spikes whenever encountering non-white monsters, and that's what he, personally would aim for, are those twin ideals, so that white mobs feel like the trash we call them, and the other monsters feel like a threat, a challenge.

So, when you finish trolling or learn the relevance of context....You can feel free to shut up.

Yeah, you were such a jerk that even the guy you weren't talking to answered you. Well done.

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Nssheepster wrote:

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grepman wrote:

what exactly is out of context for that quote, please explain. if you don't explain, we all can say that you decided to simply, well, lie.

Chris was directly asked about power creep, and that's what he chose to reply with, clearly indicating that the current game design contradicts the game's original intent. He clearly stated that poe is a game that people play when coming after a tough day to relax, kill mobs and watch tv while playing it. and that the game is not focused anymore on the core base that is on reddit

so please, explain- how is the quote 'out of context' ? this quote was a spit in the face of players such as myself. and your quote is equally insulting because you're hiding behind context in attempts to justify it

Oh the explanation is clear...Chris said WHITE MOBS should be, ideally, so easy to kill you're not really paying attention, you could watch TV while clearing WHITE MOBS.

ok and ? why exactly should it be that way?
Im sorry, any game, ANY game that positions itself as a 'hardcore rpg' cannot be put into the context of 'watching tv while playing' AT ANY TIME. it's insulting to a concept of a 'hardcore and punishing rpg' and an insulting to any game that positions itself as a 'smart game'.

moreover, here are some direct quotes:

'path of exile player can come from work after a long day and comes into a situation knowing he is going to destroy some monsters'
'mindless behavior, you can chill and watch tv while playing poe, and suddenly there's a spike of difficulty...theres things that keep you alert'
'we had times in the past where the game has been too difficult, in various different ways'
'it may have been that we achieved our goal, for the people who are not posting on redddit, retention numbers are very good"

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that's what he, personally would aim for, are those twin ideals, so that white mobs feel like the trash we call them, and the other monsters feel like a threat, a challenge.

he did not say this.

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So, when you finish trolling or learn the relevance of context....You can feel free to shut up.

Yeah, you were such a jerk that even the guy you weren't talking to answered you. Well done.

I'm not trolling, the context is exactly what was stated. Poe is a game that can be played while watching tv and chilling with occasional spikes, and in the past the game was 'too difficult' (sic), lol. its exactly what it is.

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grepman wrote:

ok and ? why exactly should it be that way?
Im sorry, any game, ANY game that positions itself as a 'hardcore rpg' cannot be put into the context of 'watching tv while playing' AT ANY TIME. it's insulting to a concept of a 'hardcore and punishing rpg' and an insulting to any game that positions itself as a 'smart game'.

He was asked what HIS opinion of the difficulty of HIS game should be. Not what it IS, or what it will be, just what HE personally wants HIS game to become, if it can happen.

Also, Hardcore has so many definitions now that the term is near useless for anything but claiming elitist BS. If you want a game that is hard all the time, just to be hard....Dark Souls is calling you to try and use their painful jump system in the original game. Go to it, and enjoy rage quitting.

Insulting to the concept of Hardcore, no, as it DOES have difficulty and you CAN make it as hard as you'd like. Go HC, SSF, and then go for killing Uber. TADA, HC and punishing. For those of us who don't want a kick in the nuts every time we play, we can play SC, and trade, and not voluntarily add difficulty outside of maybe running harder maps. Get the idea?

As far as smart game...POE hasn't really done that, nor is that really something I've heard any game do. ARPGs are for killing monsters, and making fun builds. Those are the two reasons people show up, kill monsters, make builds. And FTR, I include loot grinding under both categories. Nowhere in that is smarts actually required, and many people choose to simply copy other people and spend no mental effort on this game. So POE clearly doesn't claim to require smarts to play.


Remember...it's HIS GAME, and he was asked for HIS OPINION. The man gave his opinion, but it's not effing gospel, he's not saying that the game IS there, or that it WILL BE there, just giving the OPINION he was asked for. It's not that freaking complicated man. HIS GAME. If the man wants to make all monsters unicorns and add a rainbow theme, he can do so, it's HIS GAME.


EDIT: Woops, missed a bracket.

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grepman wrote:

Im sorry, any game, ANY game that positions itself as a 'hardcore rpg' cannot be put into the context of 'watching tv while playing' AT ANY TIME. it's insulting to a concept of a 'hardcore and punishing rpg' and an insulting to any game that positions itself as a 'smart game'

Yeah here's the thing. This game doesn't have to be hardcore relative to your arbitrary standards to be a hardcore rpg. It just has to be more hardcore than most of its competition. It checks that box. Keep raving about how insulting it is though, I'm sure you're so insulted that you'll hang around this thread, the forums at large, and probably the game for years to come.

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innervation wrote:

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grepman wrote:

Im sorry, any game, ANY game that positions itself as a 'hardcore rpg' cannot be put into the context of 'watching tv while playing' AT ANY TIME. it's insulting to a concept of a 'hardcore and punishing rpg' and an insulting to any game that positions itself as a 'smart game'

Yeah here's the thing. This game doesn't have to be hardcore relative to your arbitrary standards to be a hardcore rpg.

it obviously doesn't. but it used to be 'hardcore' and the game was exactly what it advertised itself to be. not so much anymore. like Ive said in the other thread, I would say 'bait and switch', but at least I got some good years out of it.

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It just has to be more hardcore than most of its competition.

lol. thats hilarious. 'an arpg thats just slightly more hardcore than any other arpg, that you've been waiting for'. beautiful.

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Keep raving about how insulting it is though, I'm sure you're so insulted that you'll hang around this thread, the forums at large, and probably the game for years to come.

I will play prophecy. I will be around. and I will be talking about the statement of how poe is a game that you play while watching tv, and how it's a far cry from any way poe used to be while I started playing it.

GET IM INNER

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Nssheepster wrote:

Also, Hardcore has so many definitions now that the term is near useless for anything but claiming elitist BS. If you want a game that is hard all the time, just to be hard....Dark Souls is calling you to try and use their painful jump system in the original game. Go to it, and enjoy rage quitting.

Im using poe's own definition because they themeselves called it hardcore. no one pulled their tongue. I can use 'old school', because well, old school games are apparently synonymous with being too complicated and frustrating for newer players *wink*

and you are scaring me with dark souls ? lol I finished the first dark souls on pc playing keyboard and mouse without any mods, because I dont use controllers on principle. that was quite a clusterfuck. anyway, let me tell you a story

one of my favorite games back back in the day was wizardry 4. aka insanely overtuned game.
I loved it until it sold like shit and devs instead of sticking to their guns stuck to their wallet. not only that, they publicly decided to spit in the face of people who loved their game.

if you go to wiki, you can see the full quote of what they said after
'There were other hard-core players in the market that loved it. They said, "Ah, why doesn’t everybody do this?" Well, we don’t because you guys are a minority. If you’re a glutton for punishment, you’re going to have to get your pleasure somewhere else because nobody can survive catering to such a small number of people.'

that was a similar spit in the face of me and gamers with the similar mindset. after that, you know what I did? I played every wizardry game after. and there were good ones. yet I haven't paid a single cent for them (yep). and I'm a developer myself (the irony).

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For those of us who don't want a kick in the nuts every time we play

but thats the whole point of it being a hardcore game. if there is no kick in the nuts, dont call it a hardcore game.

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Remember...it's HIS GAME, and he was asked for HIS OPINION. The man gave his opinion, but it's not effing gospel, he's not saying that the game IS there, or that it WILL BE there, just giving the OPINION he was asked for. It's not that freaking complicated man. HIS GAME. If the man wants to make all monsters unicorns and add a rainbow theme, he can do so, it's HIS GAME.
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I absolutely agree. He can and does make whatever game he wants. I'm just disappointed that the original vision changed so much; whether or not the poe Ive played with in 2013 was their vision or not isn't really important to me, but it begs the question- why wasn't the game like that back then ?

but again, we were talking about context. the context stays clear. I dont talk about what I dont know about. the original statement of 'taking quotes out of context' is a clear lie.

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grepman wrote:

if you go to wiki, you can see the full quote of what they said after
'There were other hard-core players in the market that loved it. They said, "Ah, why doesn’t everybody do this?" Well, we don’t because you guys are a minority. If you’re a glutton for punishment, you’re going to have to get your pleasure somewhere else because nobody can survive catering to such a small number of people.'

And you know? I hope GGG says it to you again, because it's 100% true.

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I_NO wrote:

GET IM INNER

Donny, you're out of your element

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Nssheepster wrote:

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grepman wrote:

if you go to wiki, you can see the full quote of what they said after
'There were other hard-core players in the market that loved it. They said, "Ah, why doesn’t everybody do this?" Well, we don’t because you guys are a minority. If you’re a glutton for punishment, you’re going to have to get your pleasure somewhere else because nobody can survive catering to such a small number of people.'

And you know? I hope GGG says it to you again, because it's 100% true.

they've already said it, and Im replying.