[Champion] Worthy Foe - Additional Chance to Stun?

Ok, here's the deal, in the Champion ascendancy taunt branch we have the Worthy Foe notable saying:
"Enemies you taunt have 20% increased chance to be stunned"
So, you'd reason something like this - if your chance to stun is calculated to be 40% this would push it to 48%, seems pretty clear cut.

However, check this out:
https://youtu.be/5MLNKtWVofs

Merciless Voll is clearly getting stunned by the kind of gnat bites you can see on my tooltip at the start of the video (plus 20% damage taken but minus his resists with half of my damage being elemental). The only thing I can think of to explain it is that the passive actually grants 'additional chance to be stunned', like Warlord's Mark.

Now, the value on WM is low and curse resist on bosses lowers it further so it isn't an issue, however, 20% additional chance to stun pushes you right over the stun threshold, so what it actually means is that you could stunlock an endgame boss with two level 1 flame totems.

So, it's one of these:
- the description is right and the passive is bugged
- the passive is intentionally broken and the description is wrong
- I'm missing something crucial here

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Vipermagi wrote:

Having played a fair share of Stunrauder, I can say with fair certainty there's no "stun breaking" - what he's more likely to be seeing is his puny Damage rolling too low to reach the minimum Stun Chance threshold, thus dropping him from 20% to 0% Stun Chance.

Right, I also noticed that, you need to have at least 1% stun chance to go over the threshold so if the damage is extremely puny it won't work. The thing about level 1 flame totems was a hyperbole, they would die instantly anyway.

Thanks for the reply Mark!

I was all set to make a Slayer with the cool slayer Stun node (I figured with chance to double stun duration, and 100% chance to stun on full life, together with stun duration mods and nodes you could kill most enemies - even rares - before they got un-stunned.)

But this one seems considerably better.

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raics wrote:

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Vipermagi wrote:

Having played a fair share of Stunrauder, I can say with fair certainty there's no "stun breaking" - what he's more likely to be seeing is his puny Damage rolling too low to reach the minimum Stun Chance threshold, thus dropping him from 20% to 0% Stun Chance.

Right, I also noticed that, you need to have at least 1% stun chance to go over the threshold so if the damage is extremely puny it won't work. The thing about level 1 flame totems was a hyperbole, they would die instantly anyway.

Also note that 20% chance to stun is not 100% chance to stun. It means you'll stun on average 1 in 5 times.
With 350ms stun duration that means you'd need to be hitting every 70ms (ie: 14 hits per second) to even have a decent chance at stun-locking them.

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dudiobugtron wrote:

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raics wrote:

Right, I also noticed that, you need to have at least 1% stun chance to go over the threshold so if the damage is extremely puny it won't work. The thing about level 1 flame totems was a hyperbole, they would die instantly anyway.

Also note that 20% chance to stun is not 100% chance to stun. It means you'll stun on average 1 in 5 times.
With 350ms stun duration that means you'd need to be hitting every 70ms (ie: 14 hits per second) to even have a decent chance at stun-locking them.

I've also tested what happens when you combine WM and Worthy Foe. For the hell of it, I linked LMP, GMP and Chain to level 1 Flame totem which gave it 0-1 tooltip damage and went out in search of Burning Menace in merciless which has capped fire res, which means I was doing zero damage to it. And it's getting stunned just fine.

Many skill combos can easily pull off more than 14 hits per second, you could also play in a party or invest a little bit in stun duration. If we compare this to a regular permastunner, the amount of investment is ridiculously low and it doesn't pigeonhole you into one type of setup as most stunners are fairly similar, it's much more flexible.

One more thing I've noticed is when your totems (and probably other players) taunt the enemy you already taunted they don't overwrite the Worthy Foe debuff so it's even easier. Also, base taunt duration seems to be 4s, didn't see that piece of info anywhere.

I'd probably suggest replacing the mod with something else or at least halving the amount to 10%, but this ain't no feedback and suggestions. Well, at least we know it's not a bug.

You know, once you can get 8 Ascendancy points, it'll be possible to grab both the Stunlock node and the Fortify node. And then Champion really will be unkillable.

I'd love to see GGG comment a bit on the Taunt mechanics though, if there is a cooldown on it.