atziri..

So I can clear t14 and t15 maps. I can kill 3rd stage merc izaro in 5 seconds. yet when I get to regular atziri I am insta killed. I mean literally just instantly killed.

what am I missing?

Skill probably, seeing as you cannot overpower that content with sheer DPS.

Simple answer you aren't doing the mechanics right like Atziri is a pure movement based fight I've even done her with 1 health mind you granted that was a bit ago but I still did it.

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Mannoth wrote:

Skill probably, seeing as you cannot overpower that content with sheer DPS.

I have no problem with malachai and izaro or the lab.

I have only fought atziri once so I didn't learn her mechanics, frankly I didn't have time I got one shot very quickly.

seems like its much easier for a non melee build but I plan on trying more, just looking to see if their was some obvious thing I was overlooking.

Are you attacking the right clone during the split phase? Don't attack the one of her holding a mirror or you'll RIP pretty fuckin' quick.

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viciousnugget wrote:

Are you attacking the right clone during the split phase? Don't attack the one of her holding a mirror or you'll RIP pretty fuckin' quick.

ya thats where I ran into trouble, when there was like 4 of her. kept getting insta killed

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Drahken wrote:

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viciousnugget wrote:

Are you attacking the right clone during the split phase? Don't attack the one of her holding a mirror or you'll RIP pretty fuckin' quick.

ya thats where I ran into trouble, when there was like 4 of her. kept getting insta killed

Yea you basically reflect all the damage you were doing to her back at yourself. If you are using a skill that has a very large AoE you may consider using concentrated effect gem and if that is not enough you may want to drop some AoE radius points off your passive tree.

You need to figure out really quick which one is holding the mirror and avoid that. The other 3 can be attacked no problem. I mean, you should still avoid the storm calls and flameblasts and bring a flask that immunes to bleeding if you can.

Well if you are attacking mirror then clearly skill is missing here
Atzuri is all about dancing around and manually dodging everything, only top dps meta builds can faceroll her while standing still

Split phases is a pain for melee players unless you have insane DPS or are running pseudo melee skills (Earthquake, Sunder, etc) so that you can position better, or Cyclone because you can move and deal damage.

And the longer the split phase goes on the higher the chance you fail because your flasks are dwindling and because of mental fatigue, so it's a lose-lose situation for melee in that part of the fight since the positioning is a lot harder for melee players (especially with multistrike because it locks you down).

Run it a few times on ranged characters until you get the feeling of positioning in the fight, then retry with melee.

Malcahai and Izaro can be cheesed with high enough DPS; Atziri cannot. Atziri is a VERY mechanics-based battle.

• Malachai's damage is low enough that pretty much any endgame build can facetank it, at least the moment it takes to nuke that current form down to the next heart. Since he has maybe only a couple hundred thousand life per stage, it's not much; overtuned builds can vanquish that in a second, often before he can make a move.
• Izaro isn't actually that technically challenging. Most of the "difficulty" comes from being on the overtuned side, and moreover, the MASSIVE performance hit one gets there; you don't die to Izaro, you die to lag. Also, he has no real stages, so you can generally just nuke him down.
• Tier 15 maps are much the same way. While Ambrius and the Eater of Souls, of course, have stages... It's no different from the above for Malachai.

By contrast? Atziri has periods where she's outright invulnerable, and periods where you simply can't really burst her down, so you HAVE to play around her mechanics. They're actually not THAT hard, but you DO have to learn them... And the key part of "mechanical" is change how you play according to what's going on, rather than just repeat the same actions:

• Basic form spear wave: If you're armour-based, this attack is actually pretty darn inconsequential. Even otherwise, it doesn't do THAT much damage, even if it's hard to avoid. Mostly, just be mindful of the bleed and be ready to pop a flask for that.
• Basic form flameblasts: These stick out pretty well, so just be mindful of them. If you want practice, I recommend fighting a lot of "Tzeteosh, Hungering Flame" in Beyond maps, so you can learn how to handle swarms of flameblasts. Easy enough to dodge with movement skills.
• Basic form storm call: Not that devastating, though they CAN stack, so just be mindful; as always, keep an eye on your life bar, and be ready to pop a flask. Easy enough to dodge with movement skills.
• Empowered flameblasts: These are HUGE, and yes, first time around, will likely freak you out. The key here is to remain calm. In NON-Uber Atziri, you actually have a couple seconds to respond and move to one of the safe spots... Or pop a ruby flask to try to soak one. As long as you keep your calm, (and didn't run out of flasks) this can NEVER kill you.
• Empowered storm calls: IMO, the trickiest of them, as if you aren't focused well enough, you can corner yourself. Note that the initial lightning shock isn't lethal at first, but because of stacking WILL eat through your HP bar quick. Again, keep an eye on that, and be ready to dodge when they're about to blow.
• Invulernerable form: This should be easy enough for most players used to "right-click to win" gameplay. Only key is to make sure to be ready to react when it starts. (And swap gems if you need to)
• Split form: Probably the #1 cause of death here. Her attacks are WEAKER than in her basic form, yes, but it's trickier as you have a lot more to keep track of. Most important, of course, is to ALWAYS be painfully aware which one is holding a mirror. I don't know the EXACT math/stats on it, other than any time I or anyone else have ever hit that form with ANYTHING, it's been instant death.