SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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mezmery wrote:

even d3 incorporates some casual traps in map layouts, because it envies lab.

WTF?
Where?
The most "trappy" thing in D3 is "use a lever to low the bridge" or something like that. Or "click on something" to activate a quest (similar to strongboxes/essence/etc).
Really put that stuff away for some time.

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Nishrek wrote:

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mezmery wrote:

even d3 incorporates some casual traps in map layouts, because it envies lab.

WTF?
Where?
The most "trappy" thing in D3 is "use a lever to low the bridge" or something like that. Or "click on something" to activate a quest (similar to strongboxes/essence/etc).
Really put that stuff away for some time.

flame cannons and some cleavers pretty much oneshot at higher grifts.

I think Charan also mentioned that an promising upcoming indie arpg Wolcen has some trap dungeons or something.

No, those are trap dungeons you create like van helsing. Some tower defense mini game probably. And definitely not locking character progression behind it.

I have early access to Wolcen and it does look promising. I can confirm what Pyrokar is saying; traps are planned to be part of territorial defenses put in place by players for consensual PvP.

There's not a word about locking character identity / progression behind trap gauntlets / arcade mini-games in Wolcen, which is part of what makes it promising.

How what Wolcen is doing with traps ever got conflated with lab in POE is a bit surprising.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

I have early access to Wolcen and it does look promising. I can confirm what Pyrokar is saying; traps are planned to be part of territorial defenses put in place by players for consensual PvP.

Ah, that's what they've been doing, Charan only briefly mentioned some trap dungeons. Sounds interesting, but I suppose it can't flop worse than PvP in PoE... or D3, if we count not having one at all as a flop.

To be onest... lab is something that stopped me from playing this game...

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mezmery wrote:

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Nishrek wrote:

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mezmery wrote:

labyrinth is pinnacle of arpg design (...)

Still sane Exile?
Dude, I do not know what do you smoke, but this is really strong stuff...

i have completely same right to have an opinion as you. and same way as you i dont have to provide any proofs.

so yes, labyrinth is best thing ever invented in arpg. even d3 incorporates some casual traps in map layouts, because it envies lab.

D3 has traps like the area turns red and you have 45 minutes to move AND it does not scale with gear, AND it's not a cock block, you hate the 4 traps randomly placed in the 1 level of a 6 level dungeon you just SKIP it.

D3 at this point does not require you to do any content you do not like.

Blizzard listens to their feedback.

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Ehrmannii wrote:

To be onest... lab is something that stopped me from playing this game...

Ehrmannii, thank you for voicing your opinion on the labyrinth. I've added your name to the list of people that have voiced a similar opinion, now at 918 names. Over 330 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 910 posters in support

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Ehrmannii, I too stopped playing PoE because of labyrinth. However, my understanding is that PoE 3.0 has significantly reduced the traps in the first two labs. I will try PoE again to see if it is now better than Grim Dawn and Diablo 3 again after this partial fix to the problem.