SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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goetzjam wrote:
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Xavathos wrote:

Thank you for your feedback. Rest assured, it will be put to good use.

My analogy is fine, however.
His problem is the game being unstable and has nothing to do at all with the lab. Losing a T16 map due to this would be just as bad/worse. So would a HC death and countless other scenarios.


Right, it has nothing to do with the lab specifically, it has to do with the nature of any online game.


Forgive me for quoting a post in another thread, but it answers your statement too perfectly not to:

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gibbousmoon wrote:
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j33bus wrote:
The trading situation is a problem, and it's a real good argument for at least cross instance trading, but not really a lab problem, the same way lag deaths and disconnecting isn't a lab problem, it's a problem with the game as a whole.


I read this assertion a lot, but I've never found it particularly compelling. Good game design accounts for platform limitations from very early in the design process.

Allow me to provide a lame analogy, because kids have told me that lame analogies are now required for all internet discussions, and I don't want to be left behind:

Remember when portable game systems with passive screens were a thing? The Game Boy, Game Gear, Lynx? (I think the $300 Turbografx portable was the only system of the era which provided an active screen.) Games requiring a great deal of fast scrolling looked like ass on those systems, because they were quite prone to blur. Likely because of this, the games on those systems receiving the most praise upon release, predictably, did not require a great deal of fast scrolling. You didn't hear people of the time saying, "This fast-scrolling game is awesome, and the fact that it looks terrible and I can't see what I am doing in the game is the fault of the system, not the game. I'm sure that one day there will be a new hardware revision rectifying that problem." There was an implicit and shared assumption that a good game works around the limitations of its platform, and I'm quite certain that assumption is just as prevalent in 2017 (VR, anyone?) as it was in 1997.

Now, the additional glorious fuck you provided by the Labyrinth in moments of internet flatulence may not be the Labyrinth's biggest flaw (its obnoxious piñata structure and its lack of per-play randomization, alongside all the horrible ramifications of those two things, hold that honor), it is difficult to argue that the particulars of its design do not shine a great big spotlight upon Path of Exile's pimples. This, my friends, is necessarily the fault of the content itself, no matter how many gallons of Clearasil GGG goes through.
Wash your hands, Exile!
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goetzjam wrote:


The lab isn't going away, ac points are going to be given out for free, you've lost. Your fighting is for nothing, your post are for nothing and you don't even play this game anymore, [Removed by Support]


You don't even support this game or GGG anymore and at a pathetic 11 you don't play it anymore either. [Removed by Support]
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The_Reporter wrote:
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goetzjam wrote:


The lab isn't going away, ac points are going to be given out for free, you've lost. Your fighting is for nothing, your post are for nothing [Removed by Support]


You don't even support this game or GGG anymore and at a pathetic 11 you don't play it anymore either. [Removed by Support]


Last time I checked 11>6, so you leave first, because its clear that I have at least played more then you.

In terms of my support it has a lot to do with larger changes that should come with 3.0, which is why I'm withholding additional support.




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Forgive me for quoting a post in another thread, but it answers your statement too perfectly not to:



Its not necessarily wrong to apply it here, but that is essentially the same as saying GGG cannot design any hardcore style content for poe, which is inherently false given the genre of game we are playing and the nature of the audience the game was made for. You could argue that there is a large amount of people that don't enjoy the more hardcore aspects the game has to offer and that might dislike the hardcore nature of the lab, but that doesn't directly correlate with "issues", that honest are more rare then really any other sort of issues you could have with this game.


Its been discussed before about waypoints, about having checkpoints or some system to prevent against disconnect, but the best system is simply to go into the lab, like any piece of content in this game, which typically means getting information ahead of time, assessing the ability to do the challenge solo or not and then doing it. If people have less then ideal connections, it sucks, but you cannot design a game around people with subpar connections as its clear that would limit game design and content going forward.


If this thread has proven anything though, its that GGG cannot design content anywhere near as different as the lab (although its not really that different compared to other arpg games tbh), so now these people, that have already stopped playing and supporting this game get to dictate future choices of the game, because instead of moving onto whatever casual game they are playing now, they continue to post on the feedback forums, as if GGG really gives a shit.
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
Last edited by Scott_GGG#0000 on Apr 3, 2017, 9:14:59 PM
actually most people that post here haven't played in months.
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goetzjam wrote:

In terms of my support it has a lot to do with larger changes that should come with 3.0, which is why I'm withholding additional support.


Stop crying about this free game and start buying some tags. You think your beefs are more important than mine or other people in this thread? Get over yourself. :)
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The_Reporter wrote:
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goetzjam wrote:

In terms of my support it has a lot to do with larger changes that should come with 3.0, which is why I'm withholding additional support.


Stop crying about this free game and start buying some tags. You think your beefs are more important than mine or other people in this thread? Get over yourself. :)


My issues have to do with you know the other 99% of the game, not the 1% of the game that can be done in an hour or less.


Furthermore, the most important aspect of why I don't wish to purchase anymore mtxs has to due with the inability to see what I already have effectively, 3.0 will address this from what I'm told. In addition, GGG has strait up said they arent going to separate lab and AC from one another, they havent came out and said they will not return this game to its former glory in terms of design, they haven't came out and said that they won't fix the life vs es meta, they haven't strait up said they want melee to be underpicked.
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
So you think that 99% of the game is crap and you're still hanging around? Looks like this game is closer to something for me than you. I only hate 1% of it.

Guess what? There's less chance that GGG will change the 99% to suit you than the measly 1% they could improve to please me.


Looks like PoE isn't all about you after all, huh?
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The_Reporter wrote:
So you think that 99% of the game is crap

Read : "There are things that I don't like in 99% of the game" <=> "99% of the game is crap".

You cannot stay even for a little bit with actual arguments and keep yourself from making fallacies / trolling, can you ?
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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Fruz wrote:
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The_Reporter wrote:
So you think that 99% of the game is crap

Read : "There are things that I don't like in 99% of the game" <=> "99% of the game is crap".

You cannot stay even for a little bit with actual arguments and keep yourself from making fallacies / trolling, can you ?


That's not what he typed at all. If you're going to quote your buddy, don't be interjecting your own crap into it.

Get lost and butt out of it anyway. Scram
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The_Reporter wrote:
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Fruz wrote:
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The_Reporter wrote:
So you think that 99% of the game is crap

Read : "There are things that I don't like in 99% of the game" <=> "99% of the game is crap".

You cannot stay even for a little bit with actual arguments and keep yourself from making fallacies / trolling, can you ?


That's not what he typed at all. If you're going to quote your buddy, don't be interjecting your own crap into it.

Get lost and butt out of it anyway. Scram


Seems like you have a reading comprehension issue, given the fact that what I said was my issues have to do with you know the other 99%, that doesn't mean that other 99% of the game is crap, if I wanted to say that I would have just said it.

If you had any concept of reading understanding you would know that the point I was trying to make was that, unlike the lab, the main aspects of the game have some issues that need to be addressed, considering those aspects are the other 99% of the game I feel like its important that those get addressed.
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.

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