Alt + F4 solution?

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ztx91 wrote:

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Zaffax wrote:

Alt-F4 should not be permitted for the purposes of escaping death. It is an exploit, and GGG should just implement a quick fix so that you remain ingame for 5 seconds after using it.

Similarly, exploits involving porting in and out of boss fights should be fixed. GGG should just make it so that no portals can be used in the game's various boss rooms.

The ease to which people can escape simply promoted bad play and acts as a hamper on the ingame economy.

Point proven - as I said, some people say it's an exploit, others say it isn't; many people use Alt + F4 (e.g. Krip), many don't. You're part of those who say it's an exploit and your opinion is valid. I'm also leaning towards calling it an exploit but chose to remain neutral.
Imo, if this wasn't intended by design, then this would have been fixed a long time ago. Therefore, I've come up with this solution which can satisfy both arguments.

Look, there is no logical argument for Alt-F4 being anything other than an exploit. The claim that "it is in the game" is just nonsensical. If a dupe were in the game, would that be an intended feature?

Safe insta-logging just makes no sense from a design perspective. If the developers wanted it, they wouldn't have designed a complex skill tree (where player choice and decision make holds significant consequences) and implemented death penalties (xp loss or permadeath depending on the league).

It is an exploit, and one that needs to be amended. (Along with portaling out of boss fights or bandit pvp)

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burgundy wrote:

why do silly people believe alt f4 exits game instantly?

you stay in the game for ~5 seconds.

only way to instantly leave game is log out or exit game from menu, so Esc. logout/exit game.

Also OP are you softcore?

Hardcore, as indicated by my original post.

Hmm, if that's not the case and there's a delay when pressing Alt + F4, then maybe I'll have to edit 'Alt + F4' to "Esc + logout/exit". Silly me =)

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Altnaharra wrote:

I'd be more than happy with the 5 second rule if the servers were at the point where I don't get kicked for attemping to summon some skeletons in a room with a bakers dozen worth of mobs attempting to eat my face.

Summoning skeletons(statues*) shouldn't make me lose xp.

I hear you, and think that alt+f4 & escape/exit are both the cowards way to stay alive. So i hope something happens. I just hope something happens when the servers aren't tossing players for wearing no pants.

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ztx91 wrote:

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Altnaharra wrote:

You would end up with a playerbase that gets an honest disconnect and bitches about having to work back the xp they just lost.

If you mean, being logged out due to error then hopefully there's a way to distinguish that, but if they did add the 5 second delay to fix the Alt + F4 "exploit" as somebody mentioned, then surely it would be better to lose xp during 'honest disconnects' (e.g. server errors) rather than lose your character when you Alt + F4 (+5 seconds).

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burgundy wrote:

why do silly people believe alt f4 exits game instantly?

you stay in the game for ~5 seconds.

only way to instantly leave game is log out or exit game from menu, so Esc. logout/exit game.

Also OP are you softcore?

First time I've heard of that. I never use Alt+F4 in combat so excuse me for not knowing.

I recall asking Chris during closed beta about the potions refilling on porting to town thing, he said (to paraphrase) he's OK with portals being used like that since in the endgame maps you only have a limited number of portals anwyay. I disagree, but can seea little of the logic in that. I still believe it trivialises most fights unless you're getting killed in under a second, and penalises builds that focus on attrition and long term surviviability.

As for alt + f4, it's an exploit plain and simple. I don't know the best way it could be fixed from GGG's standpoint, but something needs to be done. It's just unfair on players who don't hang on the alt and f4 buttons while they play.

It wouldn't be such an issue if there weren't upcoming races that can at times be worth microtransaction points, limited edition items and so on.