Why would I build a Scion in Ascendancy
" the max frenzy is basically 4% lower damage AND APS as well as the 3% damage AND APS per charge + the 1 MORE charge is the ONLY plus on raider the power charges are INSANE (about +35% damage, then u can use Hatred, Herald of Ash AND another aura, or use Hatred, Ash (on HP) and use blasphemy with a curse for endurance charges, or temp chains) more more defence, or go full defence with the free more mana (otherwise u need ass mark, or so to get power charges) YOU REALLY DON'T or AREN'T gonna manually cast spells. ONSLAUGHT 20% MORE! attack/cast/move speed. (you get max 15% INCREASED attack speed with the frenzy buffs from raider from ranger) AND the 20% movementspeed + phasing (not 100% sure if phasing gives ms buff too, or just run through mobs) No Problem,
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I looked better, and there are a few combinations that do add up. I was just looking at the wrong ones to combine.
I think about making a dual wielder with the raider+slayer minimods, those may be fun. |
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" According to the wiki, Onslaught grants 20% INCREASED speed, not MORE. Is the wiki wrong? Phasing only gives you the ability to run through mobs and nothing else; It is the quicksilver flask ability and certainly valuable if you see yourself frequently ending up in situations where running through mobs is a good alternative to shooting them. I've mostly played ranged until now and have only found phasing really useful for melee, but perhaps it is a question of playstyle and having it available 100% of the time would open my eyes to its use for ranged characters. I get that you consider the Assassin's "1 power charge on average per 10 mobs encountered" insanely powerful, but apart from that I've got a hard time understanding what you are arguing in this post. Since I have not said anything about spells, and you bring them up, are you arguing here that your Tornado-shotting ranger will cast spells and thus need the spell casting speed from Onslaught, which is why it is preferable to get 20% increased attack/cast/move speed from Scion-Raider rather than getting a heck of a lot more increased attack speed and slightly less movement speed from Ranger-Raider? Or did you mention it because you thought I was talking about spells, when I weren't??? As for your comment about 3% attack damage, 3% attack speed per frenzy charge, and 1 max frenzy charge being the ONLY plus on raider, and on getting max 15% INCREASED attack speed with the frenzy buffs from Ranger-Raider, I have NO idea what you are talking about. The list I made in the previous post about what the Raider will get for 6 Ascendancy points of Rapid Assault/Way of the Poacher/Avatar of Frenzy stands. The breakdown is: 5% from the minor node leading up to Rapid Assault 10% attack speed from Way of the Poacher 3% attack speed per Frenzy Charge from Avatar of Frenzy. 20% attack speed if Rapid Assault's Onslaught triggers. Since the least you can have with Avatar of Frenzy is 4 Frenzy charges, it follows that the LEAST attack speed you gain from the Rapid Assault/Way of the Poacher/Avatar of Frenzy ascendancy at full frenzy charges is 27%, which case also gives you a total 8% movement speed (Avatar of Frenzy) and 32% increased attack damage (Rapid Assault, Avatar of Frenzy) at all times. You hit a total of 47% increased attack speed and 28% increased movement speed when Onslaught triggers. And that's the LEAST possible, where the player hasn't invested in any Frenzy nodes. With a build such as the one you listed for Scion, that picks up 2 Frenzy nodes, the numbers would be 33% attack speed and 12% movement speed when Onslaught didn't trigger, 53% attack speed and 32% movement speed when it did. Again, I'm not saying whether the Scion-Raider-Assassin or Ranger-Raider are best for your purpose, but I just don't understand where you get your numbers from when talking about how poor you find the Ranger-Raider to be. Last edited by Pi2rEpsilon#4367 on Mar 2, 2016, 3:50:45 PM
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never siad poor, just when going crit and going for safety AND deeps I thinkk it's stronger as scion.
I don't care about castspeed. Free power charges (I am thinking Blasphemy as spell aura for power charges otherwise, so 1 more buff here) both are good, just saying phase and run without obstacles is safe, as rangers run so fast, now even faster, so you want to shoot, run to next mob etc... ...clearspeed and league labyrinth safety, as well as bosskills, I would say both are good. No Problem,
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Server reset just before unlocking, just my luck.
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Just pick all the stats from Ascendant, dont bother with the baby ascendancies.
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" Why? The baby slayer and raider look promising, and probaly some others as well. On the skill tree I was using, it seemed I could only take one (taking 4 points), but if I can take two, that's probably worthwhile. |
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