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I have to say it...PoE is better then Diablo 2
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With that i can't and i don't argue. What i argue about is if popularity ( and i think you would agree, that that's the main thing and financial success usually follows ) equals better. "Better" or "best" are terms so huge, terms that include so much that popularity is just not enough to encompass them, especially when it comes to art ( and games can indeed be art ). If we take for example a hammer, it is more likely that "the best" hammer is the most popular one, though that might not be the only reason that the hammer is the most popular ( it can be because of advertisement, availability, price etc. ) but when it comes to art .. something that has no or little practical use, popularity is even less indicative to the quality of the product. In the end i guess what i'm trying to say is that "popularity" is not equal to but part of something being "better" and when it comes to artistic products "better" or "best" are simply inappropriate terms .What's important for those products is if they... "speak", if you will, to the consumer, but that's entirely up to the consumer and thus are subjective. You could say that popularity means that the said product "speaks" to more people tat it does a better job in conveying its ideas and aesthetics ( again i must point that things being part of a known brand/created by a known author, advertisement etc. play huge role in what's popular ) but we must not forget that what the audience what's and likes constantly changes, the product might be the same but the consumers are now different , what's popular today may be forgotten tomorrow. Anyway i think that i've taken this discussion way too seriously and way too far ... for which i apologize. "I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!"
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" Those are really shitty indicators. Heart of Purity
Awarded 'Silverblade' to Talent Competition Winner 2020. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDFO4E5OKSE POE 2 is designed primarily for console. |
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" Pop music has less artistic value more entertainment value. Classic music has more artistic value with less entertainment value. Being artistic isn't necessarily better. Why does more people listen to pop music and not classic? Classic music is complex, inaccessible, difficult to understand. In contrast, Pop Music is beautiful because it is not. It is simple and easy to understand. There is lots of terrible Classic music that didn't make the grade. We only listen to the good ones. A hundred years from now, people might be listening to pop music from this era. People listen to Oldies why not Pop? |
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I never said which one has more value to it, all i say is that both things have their strong and weak points and neither is objectively better. That's all i'm saying. Same thing with literature or cinematography or video games ... say D2 and PoE in the context of this thread.
You like X, Y, Z ? Awesome, enjoy this XYZ product! You prefer U, T, R? Awesome, enjoy this UTR product! XYZ is more popular but UTR has more depth to it? Well ... neither XYZ nor UTR is better than the other on its own. XYZ is better for Jack and Mary but UTR is better for Phil. Jack and Mary won't be able to get why Phil likes UTR ... it's so inaccessible, hard to understand, it requires effort to get into it, you could just consume it at any point, it will help you relax and make you feel good with little to no effort on your part. Oh and more people prefer XYZ ... surely XYZ is better right ? On the other hand Phil can't get how Jack and Mary like XYZ .. it's so bland , it doesn't present any mental challenge to understand it, to enjoy it, it is too accessible while UTR will make you think, make your mind struggle to understand it, you won't be even sure if you like it or not for awhile .. but when you finally "get it" you will get so much more from it, your efforts will be rewarded you will feel enriched by it ... surely UTR is better right ? Again both things have their strong and weak points and neither is objectively better .. they can be subjectively better based on the consumer you ask nothing more. EDIT: "objectively" to "subjectively" in the last sentence. "I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!" Last edited by KorgothBG#4084 on Feb 7, 2016, 5:59:25 PM
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you are a spammer, stop it.
you and the creator of this thread, don't have idea of what is good or bad! Maybe you are young. IGN: SeaLaser Sea Builds, Characters, Shops, Links & Records: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/972683/ Last edited by RoyalStar#5086 on Feb 7, 2016, 4:29:33 PM
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Where in my posts here you saw me talking what's good and what is not good?
All i do is discussing the foundation on which this whole thread is based and how i disagree with it because it is close-minded, attention-seeking, post-fishing and objectively false. I am not the one who tried to push his anti-legacy gear comments here. In fact i did not take a stance on that issue because once again it is encompassed by the whole idea behind my posts ( read last paragraph for reference ). How exactly am i a spammer? Engaging in a discussion related to the topic of the thread is now considered a spam ? Maybe from now on i would post shorter answers like "Nah bro, the D2 is much more awesome you GGG fanboy!" Will that be a more appropriate post? IS it more suited for this forum? More meaningful perhaps? And this ... " this shows your mentality perfectly. It does it so well actually i don't even need to explain it i will just let you bask in the idea that you are the sole arbiter of what's good or bad. " Sadly ... for me this now feels more like a compliment than the insult it was meant to be. But don't worry i'm not easily flattered nor offended. "I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!" Last edited by KorgothBG#4084 on Feb 8, 2016, 4:17:35 AM
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" Subjective information is one person's opinion. Individual preference is subjective information. Objective information is a perspective based in fact, in things quantifiable and measurable. Financial success and popularity is quantifiable and measurable, in other words, an objective measurement. Although you can say Financial success and popularity isn't the standard you want music or video games to be measure by. " Individual opinions are subjective... Last edited by deathflower#0444 on Feb 7, 2016, 6:03:20 PM
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I agree, i just think that those 2 objective measurements are not enough to declare something to be better than something else for number of reasons ( some example would be : those measurements are not constant; they are a direct result of the subjective preferences of the current audience, to an extend they are results of the marketing campaign of the product which has nothing to do with the quality of the actual product etc. etc. ).
And at this point i think i've explained my position to the best of my abilities and any further posts would result in me paraphrasing the same arguments again and again ( and perhaps i've already did that to some extend for which .. my sincere apologies ). And last but not least thank you deathflower for the interesting ( for me at least ) discussion! "I'm going to show you pain you never knew existed, you're going to see a whole new spectrum of pain!!!!! Like a RAINBOW!"
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korgoth you have monopolized this thread, with like 250 reply, and only say things without sense, I can't reply any phrase in this thread. I am open for a chat discussion... of what? we still don't know what.
IGN: SeaLaser Sea Builds, Characters, Shops, Links & Records: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/972683/ Last edited by RoyalStar#5086 on Feb 7, 2016, 11:15:34 PM
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Not counting desync and lag Path of Exile does Summoners more efficiently and has more QoL convieniences. Desecrate and Offering Spells let you help out more than kust spamming curses and blowing up corpses. I remember at least the first reason I found out and wanted to try out PoE was I was looking for games that had Horde Sunmoner gameplay.
Diablo 2 didn't also have an end-game systen like PoE and other ARPG's have today too so you have something else to do as well once you beat the final boss on hardest difficulty. Just another Forum Signature in a Sea of Signatures.
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