GGG, hates Marauders & melee? Juggernaut sucks, Berserker is retarded; now Chieftain is a totem

Well you can throw in the last class in the dumpster pile, what an absolute disgrace and joke the marauder is made to be in this game. Look all over reddit and comments on Marauder subclasses, disappoint and poor reviews everywhere.

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The 2 sub classes are garbage. Juggernaut was discussed in detail by my thread a while ago https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1482313, but at the very least it has something unique with the slow/freeze immune.

'Berserker' is the worse of the worse:

5/6 keystones being conditional; IFs and when.

The only keystone without a stupid condition to gain the keystone effect is an ordinary, nothing special 'increased damage' which isn't even OP, but with a downside attached? What other keystone in a sub class has a FREAKIN DOWNSIDE?

Aside from the new Savage Hit thing, all the features are just vanilla crap that you can find on gear, gems or tree.

Other sub classes have multiple, much more useful and cool unique enhancements, with no conditions. Even Juggernaut has a more useful keystone with the anti-slow for new labyrinth stuff.

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Wiesl_1404 wrote:

Guys sry that i have to be the one that ruins your fun and excitement for the Berserker a little bit.

First: Dropping your ES by 20% of its maximum doesn't count as savage hit - a savage hit can only be scored by depleting 20% of maximum life - so no CI shinanigans possible here, sry.

Second: 100% life leech isn't as crazy as it sounds. 100% life leech just means that you reach your life leech cap (20% of your maximum HP) instantly - nothing you can't already do since 2.0. With instant leech mechanics like Vaal Pact/Vinktars/Acuity this is really strong but without you need leech rate scaling to make it very good - without any scaling it isn't that OP.

Third: 20% increased damage isn't much - it is 1-2 passive points or 1 medicore jewel. 20% attack speed is really good on the other hand - but oneslaught can do this too without penaltys.

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mark1030 wrote:

Berserker is the one I thought was lame. I'd rather have permanent fortify than some lesser shorter duration mitigation and/or speed when you get hit for 20% of your life.

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Proof of how you can tell how un/impressive and lame something really is by comparison:




It's like there is next zero amount of creativity and effort in developing Marauder sub classes, for some reason. Hello, balance team?

this is by design

melee is was and will be an afterthought. some mediocre counterattack gems and fortify that helped casters more than melee were the 'fixes'

ggg knows their audience: people that want to feel good by effortlessly slaying wave after wave. current meta is that clicking on mobs is already too much!

so you have it. melee == crit dagger (just look at the shadow subclasses. just look at them..). all other options are.. well.. judging by the ladder they simply arent

as long as the clear speed difference for medium level of gear is as big as currently is there are no reasons to play melee except for the challenge

challenge is fun but this game rewards and promotes other things. what is the ex:fun ratio nowadays

5% life on a warcry with 100% cooldown will make my marauders immortal plus free up two flask slots for goodness knows what other OP fun I can think of.

Yeah the other perks look sucky at first glance.

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Gauhron wrote:

5% life on a warcry with 100% cooldown will make my marauders immortal plus free up two flask slots for goodness knows what other OP fun I can think of.

Yeah the other perks look sucky at first glance.

immortal? so you think that these warcries wont have a cooldown? they have a 'cast time' (that isnt cast speed so cannot be improved) so it might get less %hp/s than a regen gives you. if you think about immortal call.. it is phys only. we will see. other perks - esp ones that activate on serious hit - are.. well.. risky? 'youll get some bonus if you get yourself almost-killed'

other classes get such bonuses without conditions

I'm pretty sure that if nothing about melee had ever been nerfed it would still be inferior to ranged.

100% life leech and stun immune for 4 sec when you really need it - how that can be lame?
And from what i've seen, Berserker's skills work for any character, not just melee.

Yea i was really shocked. That 100% increaed should have been 100% more attack damage if it was going to come with a downside to atleast put resolute technique back into relevance.

Seriously berserker is straight dumpster tier. Everyone of their nodes is situational or terrible.

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sidtherat wrote:

this is by design

melee is was and will be an afterthought. some mediocre counterattack gems and fortify that helped casters more than melee were the 'fixes'

ggg knows their audience: people that want to feel good by effortlessly slaying wave after wave. current meta is that clicking on mobs is already too much!

so you have it. melee == crit dagger (just look at the shadow subclasses. just look at them..). all other options are.. well.. judging by the ladder they simply arent

as long as the clear speed difference for medium level of gear is as big as currently is there are no reasons to play melee except for the challenge

challenge is fun but this game rewards and promotes other things. what is the ex:fun ratio nowadays

+100, well said.

And agreed with OP, he said exactly what we see, nothing new.

Let's just check ONE small things: Flasks... they add SO much huge benefits that its normal that you wanted them ALL the time, always, no matter what. And GGG just add that options to one of the strongest build ever: its Ranged. Now they can just auto press all flask every 1-2 seconds as they will refile fully faster then he can press.

Yeah, why not make unlimited use for already strongest build... looks balanced to me.

Now what we see marauder got: take more damage and you will leech it, so that fact that melee already took all damage, all time not enough. Now we should take even more damage and just die instantly.
Jugg so bad and useless, i dont wanna speak about that piece of ****

I'm always laughing at whiny thread like that:

I keep seeing people complaining about melee that suck. Then I team with my guildies and watch their melee build destroying everything.

I saw people complaining about the nerf they made on the flame totem, then again I watch my guildies playing a flame totem build and destroying everything.

I saw so many thread complaining about the nerf they did on the revenant that would hurt the summoner, yet again my summoner has never been so strong.



I think they know what they are doing at GGG, not you. You should also consider being less rude in your feedback and appreciate the hardwork they do at GGG.


P.S. I love the all the ascendancy class so far I'm going to buy one of the pack for sure before the release.

Gotta admit, pathfinder looks pretty damn impressive compared to the berserker... 7link poison builds ? No need for staunching ? I dunno ...

@diablofdb: of course there are melee builds that destroy everything ... Especially with those big aoe "melee" hits ;) Thing is, ranged toons destroy everything even faster without putting themselves at risk most the time.