Donald Trump

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Xavderion wrote:

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Hilbert wrote:

Trump will utterly lose. It's the republicans who are stupid.

The USA isn't that stupid.

He already beats Hillary in the most recent polls. That gap will only widen until November. The Dems had a chance to comfortably stump Trump by making Bernie the candidate, but they fucked up.

And if you check his rally, they are damn full I saw him giving a speech in an arena in front of 35,000 people. You barely seem Hillary in front of 1-2k ppl.

I think he can win if he plays more on the "Jobs are gone, schools are closed, massive addiction to self medicate, neighborhoods and cities are in ruin, despair and poverty dominate many lives and I will get them jobs back and turn it around" than on his illegals and anti muslim shtick. Basically Hope and Change with a Trump bent.

Who knows. The professionals been wrong all along.

I'm certainly voting Trump. Would never vote socialist which is what the democratic party is. So are the Republicans just less so. The bigger government gets the more inequality we have. Coincidence? I think not. You only have to buy a few members of congress who forcibly take money from citizen for your profits instead of vie for 300 million Americans dollars.

Not to mention free ride encourages sloth and screws up our species. Like if I told you I'd give you 30 million a year would you toil away at whatever you do or become a bum? I would surf and smoke weed everyday till I died, a bum.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Hilbert wrote:

Trump will utterly lose. It's the republicans who are stupid.

The USA isn't that stupid.

I actually think Trump has proved himself capable of defeating Clinton.

In 2012 fully 45% of eligible voters didn't vote; in 2008 it was more like 42%, most likely because Obama was able to get otherwise apathetic voters to the polls. Essentially, half of the country barely gives a shit, and if you win those folks, you win. The politically active are already divided roughly evenly and their opinion almost doesn't matter.

Trump had shown tremendous skill in getting nonvoters to vote, and vote for him.

Clinton needs to either try to match Obama's strategy and get women to the polls (which Trump already is countering with the video linked on the previous page), or hope for Republicans to betray Trump, which they're not going to do - at best, many Republicans will refuse to vote at all rather than vote for Clinton.

No one ever said elections are determined by the smart Americans; everyone gets a ballot, for better or for worse.

Still, I don't think either result really matters in the long run. I'm cynical about any Republican actually shrinking government; that's not what politicians do.

Wait for it ... No one has suggested it to my knowledge, I suspect Trump's big move in the next two weeks is to publicly promise a pardon for Hillary when he becomes president.

NVMD i thought you meant obama.

I'll just leave this here for ScrotieMcB then

https://mises.org/blog/if-you-want-bigger-government-vote-republican

OFC a libertarian has zero chance so whatever as long as neither one get us in a nuclear war (another shitty big government program, could be the worst) I'm happy.

What's important are Swingstates, Crossvoters, minorities and independants.

Do you really believe any non rep minority would vote for Trump?


Reps can only win primaries when they hold far right positions because the Democrats shifted to the right.

The polls are irrelevant because they ask members of a party.

Registered US voters:

If you hate Donald Trump, you need to ask yourself WHY. Is it simply because he beat your favored candidate in the GOP Primary? Hardly a reason to hate him. Or is there some policy of his which offends you? I will tell you this: Trump doesn't hate YOU. He is running for ALL Americans. He's certainly not perfect; even Trump supporters aren't going to agree with everything he does. But he is by far and away MUCH preferable to another four or eight years of Obama 2.0. Whatever your opinion of Trump, there are some explicitly compelling reasons to cast your ballot for him in November:

*This election is for ALL THE MARBLES. As many as FOUR seats on the SCOTUS have been projected to be up for grabs in the next Presidential term. If Hillary is elected, we will not see a return to Conservative jurisprudence in our lifetimes, if at all.

*Hillary Clinton is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood. The Democrats actively import Muslim "refugees" into our nation, creating an internal population hostile to everything for which we stand, while at the same time draining our ever-depleting coffers. Worse, still, than the immediate threat of radical Islam and the violence it has already demonstrated in other nations is the threat of demographic takeover.

London, England has its first Muslim Mayor. It is estimated that London will be majority Muslim in a mere TEN YEARS. After that, that once-great city will NEVER have another non-Muslim Mayor again. Here in the US, Muslims will continue to vote Democrat until they have taken over that party externally, as well as internally, at which point they will control the national policy, after which we will never be able to deal with them effectively.

*Hillary Clinton will continue to allow criminal aliens to enter our country, and will accelerate the process to grant them citizenship and voting rights... As Democrats. As close as our elections have been to this point, there will NEVER be another election in which any candidate YOU support for POTUS will have any chance to win. No wall, no limits, no end to the influx of poverty and criminality which has already reached crisis proportions.

If you choose not to vote in November, or vote third party (one would HOPE you wouldn't vote for Hillary!), and it turns out that Hillary wins, will all that be worth it, simply to have had some modicum of revenge? PLEASE, express your anger if you must, but come together to defeat the agents of the HARD LEFT, and if you can't vote FOR Trump in November, then at least vote Trump AGAINST Hillary. ='[.]'=

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

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Hilbert wrote:

What's important are Swingstates, Crossvoters, minorities and independants.

Do you really believe any non rep minority would vote for Trump?


Reps can only win primaries when they hold far right positions because the Democrats shifted to the right.

The polls are irrelevant because they ask members of a party.

Depends on the poll. According to this poll, Trump does better with crossvoters and independants. Also Hillary does abysmally bad with whites which could diminish any advantages she has with blacks and latinos. Maybe the women can save her?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39

@Raycheetah: as I alluded to earlier, I was raised in a heavily Islamic community. Specifically, the home of Ford Motor Company and the largest mosque in the US, Dearborn, Michigan. The majority of the population is Middle Eastern ethnically, something that's been true or nearly true since the 1990s, and they've had a Middle-Eastern mayor since... literally never. Guido back in my time, apparently an O'Reilly now.

There's something seriously fucked up in your view of Islam as some form of social cancer. The alQaeada mold of terrorist is no better a model of typical Islam than an abortion clinic bomber is a model of typical Christianity.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

@Raycheetah: as I alluded to earlier, I was raised in a heavily Islamic community. Specifically, the home of Ford Motor Company and the largest mosque in the US, Dearborn, Michigan. The majority of the population is Middle Eastern ethnically, something that's been true or nearly true since the 1990s, and they've had a Middle-Eastern mayor since... literally never. Guido back in my time, apparently an O'Reilly now.

There's something seriously fucked up in your view of Islam as some form of social cancer. The alQaeada mold of terrorist is no better a model of typical Islam than an abortion clinic bomber is a model of typical Christianity.

That last sentence doesn't hold up when you run the actual numbers.

With roughly 50 Abortion bombers of any type (Wikipedia says 41 bombings worldwide total, but I only see 27 bombers listed, so we'll round up just because, and for the sake of math simplicity assume they all fit your "typical Christian" model label.

With 2.2 Billion Christians that works out to 1 bomber per 44 million Christians, and a grand total of less than 20 dead.

With 1.6 Billion Muslims, we end up with a rough number of 73,000 Terrorists, or 1 out of 22,000.

Which means the likelihood is 2,000 times greater. If it were medicine or science or economics, academics would assume a cause and effect relationship.

You and I know that it isn't because of the people themselves. The leadership of those people is entirely different, and there is a direct cause and effect relationship.

Just an FYI: the following terrorist groups are not our buddies, but they would sure love to put an end to western civilization, and the best way to do that is to continue with our nation's lackluster porous admit anything that will vote liberal border patrol mentality.

HAQQANI NETWORK 10,000+
HEZBALLAH 3,000+
Hamas 13,000+
ISIS has ~25,000
AL-QA’IDA (combined 5,000+)
AL-SHABAAB 4,000+
JEMAAH ANSHORUT TAUHID 3500+
TEHRIK-E TALIBAN PAKISTAN 3,000+
HARAKAT-UL JIHAD ISLAMI 300+
HARAKAT UL-JIHAD-I-ISLAMI/BANGLADESH 400+
HARAKAT UL-MUJAHIDEEN 300+
ISLAMIC JIHAD UNION 150+
ISLAMIC MOVEMENT OF UZBEKISTAN 250+
JAISH-E-MOHAMMED 400+
JEMAAH ISLAMIYA 1200+
JUNDALLAH 700+
KATA’IB HIZBALLAH 400
LIBYAN ISLAMIC FIGHTING GROUP
MOROCCAN ISLAMIC COMBATANT GROUP
PALESTINE ISLAMIC JIHAD - SHAQAQI FACTION 800+
PALESTINE LIBERATION FRONT - ABU ABBAS FACTION 320+
POPULAR FRONT FOR THE LIBERATION OF PALESTINE-GENERAL COMMAND 200+
ABU SAYYAF GROUP 400+
AL-AQSA MARTYRS BRIGADE 300+
ANSAR AL-ISLAM 300+

That's just the actual working rosters. If you start counting sympathizers who actively support these groups you are looking at another magnitude at the very least.

Even if you were to purely count the number killed by Islamic terrorists here in the USA (and discounting 9/11 and San Bernadino) you'd still have a higher death toll than abortion bombers.

@Dalai: Okay, you got me on a technicality I guess. There's roughly a 99.999998% chance a Christian you encounter isn't a terrorist, while there's a 99.995438% chance a Muslim you encounter isn't a terrorist. That is a statistically significant difference.

However, as far as my discussion with Raycheetah goes, this difference is irrelevant.