Donald Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vev-OzHQy94


fine example of Islam belief

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Antnee wrote:

Hey! I think you're a second class citizen, and are undeserving of equal protection under the law! Not only do I think that, I'll make sure to codify it into law at every given opportunity, spout hateful rhetoric in your direction on national news, and fuck, I'll make it our official party platform!

That's pretty much the opposite of Trump. You don't need to agree with the whole party in order to be willing to vote for Trump.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Antnee wrote:

Hey! I think you're a second class citizen, and are undeserving of equal protection under the law! Not only do I think that, I'll make sure to codify it into law at every given opportunity, spout hateful rhetoric in your direction on national news, and fuck, I'll make it our official party platform!

That's pretty much the opposite of Trump. You don't need to agree with the whole party in order to be willing to vote for Trump.

No, you just need to believe you are a second-class citizen. Also, PENCE. Did you forget that Trump picked PENCE?

If Trump is a fluffy bastion of social liberalism as you seem to think he is, then Pence wouldn't be within 500 miles of his ticket. But, here we are.

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morbo wrote:

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NeroNoah wrote:

The problem is that he doesn't know what he is doing. He may end getting ISIS for his cabinet because he is so confused.

I kina agree here... The spirit and heart is in the right place, but he's missing the focus & a bit of brains. Still, the choice between him or the woman who actively helped islamists taking over two countries, is really not a choice, if you are picking someone to fight radical islam.

Anyway, I know of at least one gay that would vote for Trump. 'Our' lord and saviour, Milo ;)

That guy is the token gay for the Trump campaign. He is a total creep trying to be edgy for clickbait. Seriously, there are reasons to support Trump because you have fear of terrorist attacks, but why choose that guy? I can see some appeal in the anti PC bandwagon but he is a vicious asshole. When you read things like this, you think people are /pol/ tier trolls or utterly deranged. He seems phony/cartoony.

Also, I don't think Trump heart is in the right place. While I admit integration problems are real and things in Europe have been a clusterfuck, I think his plans read like ISIS propaganda. Also, US is not Europe (you have barely thousands of refugees rather than millions in a bigger population), so not really the same.

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Antnee wrote:

No, you just need to believe you are a second-class citizen. Also, PENCE. Did you forget that Trump picked PENCE?

If Trump is a fluffy bastion of social liberalism as you seem to think he is, then Pence wouldn't be within 500 miles of his ticket. But, here we are.

Then there is the fact that bringing Trump brings conservative SCOTUS (pretty much known for being dinosaurs) and Republican politicians (the same establishment everyone wants to make burn, else a politician, rather than Trump, would have been chosen).

You need to do a lot of mental gymnastics to ignore that. A vote for Republicans is a vote for the pharisees. Trump has already whored himself to them.

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Antnee wrote:

If Trump is a fluffy bastion of social liberalism as you seem to think he is, then Pence wouldn't be within 500 miles of his ticket. But, here we are.

Not really. Remember the Christian Crazies, Palin and Bachman? Guess who they're supporting now.
What counts for Pence is that Trump is the man of the hour, and that he'd have a real chance of becoming Veep. Everything else is secondary.

Trump needs Pence to mobilize the Evangelicals, the Very Serious Man, and the Corporate type of Republicans, and Pence is naturally eager to deliver. He already flip flopped on Trump's Muslim ban idea (which he had harshly criticized while still endorsing Ted Cruz), so there you go.

E: By the way: "Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill. Two out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer." - Mike Pence, 2001, doing his job for the tobacco industry.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010415085348/http://mikepence.com/smoke.html

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Jojas wrote:

E: By the way: "Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill. Two out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer." - Mike Pence, 2001, doing his job for the tobacco industry.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010415085348/http://mikepence.com/smoke.html

"This is not to say that smoking is good for you.... news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit. "

^ Literally the next two sentences in that article.

While the part you quoted was a stunning example of illogic, you could at least give his opinion a fair description. The actual crux of the op-ed is his argument that the bill in question would create "17 new government bureaucracies", that the benefits to the public would not be worth the cost, and that this step of government presence in one area will lead to giant leaps of government into other areas it has no business being in.

Now, you can disagree with any of those points, but quote clipping just makes you look partisan at best, and, well, I'll leave harsher words for other people's imaginations.

I disagree. Pence has a long history of ties to tobacco, dating back to at least 2000. And incidentally his family had owned a company ("Kiel Bros. Oil") that operated a chain of stores under the name "Tobacco Road" (that went bankrupt in 2004). It wasn't about bureaucracies, it was self-interest through and through.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/14/3798417/mike-pence-tobacco-money/

The sentences I quoted were the essence of his disingenuity. If I had wanted to mislead I could have just not linked to the source.

I read the thinkprogress article as soon as it was posted. My point is you could hold his position even if you were a libertarian who had never taken a cent from big tobacco, but you're not interested in discussing issues, just bashing a Republican through selective quoting - which gives republicans cover to hide behind 'dishonest attacks' instead of the myriad justifiable and fair things you could attack him for.

Notice how (and I wish I could credit them with this more often - but as with many websites, their authors have the 'artistic liberty' to be blatantly biased individuals.) they were actually FAIR in pointing out the full context of the quotes.

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innervation wrote:

I read the thinkprogress article as soon as it was posted. My point is you could hold his position even if you were a libertarian who had never taken a cent from big tobacco, but you're not interested in discussing issues, just bashing a Republican through selective quoting - which gives republicans cover to hide behind 'dishonest attacks' instead of the myriad justifiable and fair things you could attack him for.

Exactly. You could argue the cases he makes, except one: the one I quoted. That's why I quoted it. It is such a blatantly dishonest manipulation that it just sticks out.
His advice to stop smoking is not relevant, that's just covering his tracks. How many smokers would gladly hear his first sentences but wouldn't much bother with his caveat? I'd say pretty much all of them.
And his condoning of the bureaucratic apparatus is not relevent either. Not in the light of what he wrote before. If you want to know how Mike Pence ticks, what I quoted says all you need to know: He's either a self-serving, callous prick, or a complete idiot.