You want standard market more active? Then stop stashing your exalts and go start buying items, start collecting something like Uniques or legacys or alt-arts 1 of each. If many ppl start buying items, you will as well sell many items, exalts that are stocked now in our stashes will start to circulate :P
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I'm going to tell you something else. If I have anything worthwhile in HC after a league, I RIP it over to standard. I can't be the only one. Not only will SC league items flood standard, but the HC ones too.
I had to log in and make my first post because that second paragraph basically sums up what pisses me off about standard trading. There is no goddamn item that it worth a whole page of exalts. People really do ask for too much for their items. 1 exalt isn't exactly expensive, but imagine if it was written as its equivalent in chaos orbs. You would see similar items listed for 20 and 20 000 chaos, how could there possible be such a discpredancy? I'm starting to think that I have to artificially inflate the prices that I list so that peiople will attribute value to the item. Literally what everyone on poe.trade in standard is doing and thats why there is such a big discrepency.
An item with 15% resists and an item with 40% resists should have a 3x price difference, plus a lil extra for the seller. Not a 10000x price difference.
When I see a 300ex ring, or any other item, I just think "Lol...look at this silly merchant thinking thats an actual price." Seriosuly, anything above 50exalts could not POSSIBLY be worth buying. The differences are 1% in stats but 1000% on price. Insane. Insane.
Sidenote, buy my items I price them according to normal players and don't expect double digits exalts for tier 2 items.
Out of curiosity, how much would I have to pay you to buy niche items like these? After you answer I'll tell you what I sold them for.
Edit: since you mentioned checking your shop, I did check it and most of your stuff is 5-20x overpriced, lol.
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I had to log in and make my first post because that second paragraph basically sums up what pisses me off about standard trading. There is no goddamn item that it worth a whole page of exalts. People really do ask for too much for their items. 1 exalt isn't exactly expensive, but imagine if it was written as its equivalent in chaos orbs. You would see similar items listed for 20 and 20 000 chaos, how could there possible be such a discpredancy? I'm starting to think that I have to artificially inflate the prices that I list so that peiople will attribute value to the item. Literally what everyone on poe.trade in standard is doing and thats why there is such a big discrepency.
An item with 15% resists and an item with 40% resists should have a 3x price difference, plus a lil extra for the seller. Not a 10000x price difference.
When I see a 300ex ring, or any other item, I just think "Lol...look at this silly merchant thinking thats an actual price." Seriosuly, anything above 50exalts could not POSSIBLY be worth buying. The differences are 1% in stats but 1000% on price. Insane. Insane.
Sidenote, buy my items I price them according to normal players and don't expect double digits exalts for tier 2 items.
but the thing is a 300ex ring is probably a mirror copy, so you are looking at a ring that cost maybe 2000+ exalts to craft and has then had a mirror used to end up with that 300ex ring. So it might seem like utter madness, but you have a choice of buying it for 300ex or saving up 2000 exalts to attempt to craft it yourself. Thats the choice because that ring will never drop, ever, it just wont happen. You could literally find 2000 exalts and a mirror by yourself and never see a ring like that drop.
5c for an item, I might spend 10c rolling a map, and then 10 minutes later spend another 10c rolling a map, and then 5 minutes later spend 5c rolling a map... but a piece of gear I am going to use on this character for the next year Im gonna put a budget of 5c on that? A ring I just found that is the best ring thats dropped for me in 2 months, im gonna put a value of 5c on that? I think people wanting endgame gear for a small handful of chaos is every bit as insane as the top end prices personally. Its where self found wealth levels meets people trying to buy gear, people who are in trade taking part in the economy but have the budget of someone who has no connection to the economy at all. I feel that if people had the confidence and item knowledge to sell things for a proper trade price they would have the wealth to buy things for a proper trade price. Once you are in the trade world buying and selling you dont look at trade prices with a dropped jaw, that only happens when your wealth is essentially self found but you want trade level gear.
Learning items and values takes some effort, having a shop and dealing with selling items every day takes effort, it would be nice if you didnt have to do any of that stuff and could still get gg trade gear for a couple of chaos you found that day. But in reality there are people who put in that effort and their budget is 100x bigger than yours as a result, and they will pay 100x more than you for that GG piece of gear because its an item that will be the last item their char ever needs in that slot, to them that is worth what they have earned in the last 5 days, which is more than you have found in the last 2 months. Its just the reality of the situation, you cant fault the guy for having that amount of wealth and you cant hate the seller for setting a price he knows people are happy to pay, that he knows people would ask him to pay if he was the buyer.
I do sympathize with people who are on a shoe string budget and are looking at double, triple digit exalt items and thinking wtf? But at the same time, those people dont deserve to have that level of gear honestly, sounds harsh and I dont mean it as an insult or a moral judgement on them as people, no offense meant at all. But ultimately they havent found gear that good, so why should they have it? If they had found gear that good, and understood its value, then they could sell it and then buy that item. Earning what you own is a big part of arpgs, thats the fun of it, building things up over time, mastering the little meta games in play to reach that next step up.
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I had to log in and make my first post because that second paragraph basically sums up what pisses me off about standard trading. There is no goddamn item that it worth a whole page of exalts. People really do ask for too much for their items. 1 exalt isn't exactly expensive, but imagine if it was written as its equivalent in chaos orbs. You would see similar items listed for 20 and 20 000 chaos, how could there possible be such a discpredancy? I'm starting to think that I have to artificially inflate the prices that I list so that peiople will attribute value to the item. Literally what everyone on poe.trade in standard is doing and thats why there is such a big discrepency.
An item with 15% resists and an item with 40% resists should have a 3x price difference, plus a lil extra for the seller. Not a 10000x price difference.
When I see a 300ex ring, or any other item, I just think "Lol...look at this silly merchant thinking thats an actual price." Seriosuly, anything above 50exalts could not POSSIBLY be worth buying. The differences are 1% in stats but 1000% on price. Insane. Insane.
Sidenote, buy my items I price them according to normal players and don't expect double digits exalts for tier 2 items.
but the thing is a 300ex ring is probably a mirror copy, so you are looking at a ring that cost maybe 2000+ exalts to craft and has then had a mirror used to end up with that 300ex ring. So it might seem like utter madness, but you have a choice of buying it for 300ex or saving up 2000 exalts to attempt to craft it yourself. Thats the choice because that ring will never drop, ever, it just wont happen. You could literally find 2000 exalts and a mirror by yourself and never see a ring like that drop.
5c for an item, I might spend 10c rolling a map, and then 10 minutes later spend another 10c rolling a map, and then 5 minutes later spend 5c rolling a map... but a piece of gear I am going to use on this character for the next year Im gonna put a budget of 5c on that? A ring I just found that is the best ring thats dropped for me in 2 months, im gonna put a value of 5c on that? I think people wanting endgame gear for a small handful of chaos is every bit as insane as the top end prices personally. Its where self found wealth levels meets people trying to buy gear, people who are in trade taking part in the economy but have the budget of someone who has no connection to the economy at all. I feel that if people had the confidence and item knowledge to sell things for a proper trade price they would have the wealth to buy things for a proper trade price. Once you are in the trade world buying and selling you dont look at trade prices with a dropped jaw, that only happens when your wealth is essentially self found but you want trade level gear.
Learning items and values takes some effort, having a shop and dealing with selling items every day takes effort, it would be nice if you didnt have to do any of that stuff and could still get gg trade gear for a couple of chaos you found that day. But in reality there are people who put in that effort and their budget is 100x bigger than yours as a result, and they will pay 100x more than you for that GG piece of gear because its an item that will be the last item their char ever needs in that slot, to them that is worth what they have earned in the last 5 days, which is more than you have found in the last 2 months. Its just the reality of the situation, you cant fault the guy for having that amount of wealth and you cant hate the seller for setting a price he knows people are happy to pay, that he knows people would ask him to pay if he was the buyer.
I do sympathize with people who are on a shoe string budget and are looking at double, triple digit exalt items and thinking wtf? But at the same time, those people dont deserve to have that level of gear honestly, sounds harsh and I dont mean it as an insult or a moral judgement on them as people, no offense meant at all. But ultimately they havent found gear that good, so why should they have it? If they had found gear that good, and understood its value, then they could sell it and then buy that item. Earning what you own is a big part of arpgs, thats the fun of it, building things up over time, mastering the little meta games in play to reach that next step up.
Ofc they dont deserve it. They didnt get stuff that got made to legacies or RMTd. Totally fair and a good place for anyone to play.
you to buy niche items like these? After you answer I'll tell you what I sold them for.
Edit: since you mentioned checking your shop, I did check it and most of your stuff is 5-20x overpriced, lol.
Without checkin id say about 5-7 ex for ring, good elreon base can go for 1ex +2 for multimod 1ex for %es and some profit to the seller the second id say about 30c its decent but only of use to pain attunment casters or eb casters
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Standard & HC perm league players starting to realize these leagues are dying? It's only been a year since peak activity, congrats on finding out almost a year later.
I had to log in and make my first post because that second paragraph basically sums up what pisses me off about standard trading. There is no goddamn item that it worth a whole page of exalts. People really do ask for too much for their items. 1 exalt isn't exactly expensive, but imagine if it was written as its equivalent in chaos orbs. You would see similar items listed for 20 and 20 000 chaos, how could there possible be such a discpredancy? I'm starting to think that I have to artificially inflate the prices that I list so that peiople will attribute value to the item. Literally what everyone on poe.trade in standard is doing and thats why there is such a big discrepency.
An item with 15% resists and an item with 40% resists should have a 3x price difference, plus a lil extra for the seller. Not a 10000x price difference.
When I see a 300ex ring, or any other item, I just think "Lol...look at this silly merchant thinking thats an actual price." Seriosuly, anything above 50exalts could not POSSIBLY be worth buying. The differences are 1% in stats but 1000% on price. Insane. Insane.
Sidenote, buy my items I price them according to normal players and don't expect double digits exalts for tier 2 items.
but the thing is a 300ex ring is probably a mirror copy, so you are looking at a ring that cost maybe 2000+ exalts to craft and has then had a mirror used to end up with that 300ex ring. So it might seem like utter madness, but you have a choice of buying it for 300ex or saving up 2000 exalts to attempt to craft it yourself. Thats the choice because that ring will never drop, ever, it just wont happen. You could literally find 2000 exalts and a mirror by yourself and never see a ring like that drop.
5c for an item, I might spend 10c rolling a map, and then 10 minutes later spend another 10c rolling a map, and then 5 minutes later spend 5c rolling a map... but a piece of gear I am going to use on this character for the next year Im gonna put a budget of 5c on that? A ring I just found that is the best ring thats dropped for me in 2 months, im gonna put a value of 5c on that? I think people wanting endgame gear for a small handful of chaos is every bit as insane as the top end prices personally. Its where self found wealth levels meets people trying to buy gear, people who are in trade taking part in the economy but have the budget of someone who has no connection to the economy at all. I feel that if people had the confidence and item knowledge to sell things for a proper trade price they would have the wealth to buy things for a proper trade price. Once you are in the trade world buying and selling you dont look at trade prices with a dropped jaw, that only happens when your wealth is essentially self found but you want trade level gear.
Learning items and values takes some effort, having a shop and dealing with selling items every day takes effort, it would be nice if you didnt have to do any of that stuff and could still get gg trade gear for a couple of chaos you found that day. But in reality there are people who put in that effort and their budget is 100x bigger than yours as a result, and they will pay 100x more than you for that GG piece of gear because its an item that will be the last item their char ever needs in that slot, to them that is worth what they have earned in the last 5 days, which is more than you have found in the last 2 months. Its just the reality of the situation, you cant fault the guy for having that amount of wealth and you cant hate the seller for setting a price he knows people are happy to pay, that he knows people would ask him to pay if he was the buyer.
I do sympathize with people who are on a shoe string budget and are looking at double, triple digit exalt items and thinking wtf? But at the same time, those people dont deserve to have that level of gear honestly, sounds harsh and I dont mean it as an insult or a moral judgement on them as people, no offense meant at all. But ultimately they havent found gear that good, so why should they have it? If they had found gear that good, and understood its value, then they could sell it and then buy that item. Earning what you own is a big part of arpgs, thats the fun of it, building things up over time, mastering the little meta games in play to reach that next step up.
First off thanks for posting something so well thought out in response to little old me's half awake rant.
Me and you are obviously veeeery far apart in terms of how "good" we are at this game. You're talking about hitting a map with 10 chaos orbs - I would never even dreeeeam of that. My maps get an alchemy or a chance and thats where the train stops haha. Worth pointing out here that I'm at level 78 and havent moved past map tier 3 soo that's probably a big factor.
I see your point about the unfindable ring and how rarity is going to drive the price up. I don't dispute that and I obviously don't "deserve" or seek out these items. Partially because I know i'm not going to have hundreds of exalts (especially with my limited stash space) and partially because I can get an item thats 5% worse for 200% cheaper. In any product line as you get to the higher end the prices jump significantly but the sheer slope of that climb is mind boggling to me. I just don't see the value return on items that arae over 50ex but I suppose what do you do when you have everything? I have no idea, I'm more interestd in the question How do you GET everything?
You mention 1-5c items and compare the cost of those with mapping but from my (limited) understanding, 1-5chaos items are meant for leveling, no? I figured most people would move past 1-5c items somewhere in Mercilles Act 4. 1-5c items are like the first step into people buying items, it's when you hit a wall and realise "omg I have no resistence" that you buy those and then steady move up through pricier and pricier gear as you move up in Wraeclast. However, at a certain point (50x as an example, not based on market research but just cause its a nice number) these items just cannot be bringing such an increase yo your stats as to be worth it.
My concern, if it can be called that, with the trading scene on standard is that it's basically limited to just gg gear, or as you call it "trade level gear". Why is all gear not trade level gear?
Is it because no one needs to worry about leveling in standard, having their toons dumped there already over level 70 when the temp league ends?
How does one go from nothing to having hundreds of exalts if not by trading the lower tiered gear they aqquire running through lower level content? If I can't move my rares that are worth 1ex or less then I can't get currency to buy/craft better gear. I see a big gulf between mid level and high level, gg, trade level gear and I would really appreciate a road map of how to cross it.
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I had to log in and make my first post because that second paragraph basically sums up what pisses me off about standard trading. There is no goddamn item that it worth a whole page of exalts. People really do ask for too much for their items. 1 exalt isn't exactly expensive, but imagine if it was written as its equivalent in chaos orbs. You would see similar items listed for 20 and 20 000 chaos, how could there possible be such a discpredancy? I'm starting to think that I have to artificially inflate the prices that I list so that peiople will attribute value to the item. Literally what everyone on poe.trade in standard is doing and thats why there is such a big discrepency.
An item with 15% resists and an item with 40% resists should have a 3x price difference, plus a lil extra for the seller. Not a 10000x price difference.
When I see a 300ex ring, or any other item, I just think "Lol...look at this silly merchant thinking thats an actual price." Seriosuly, anything above 50exalts could not POSSIBLY be worth buying. The differences are 1% in stats but 1000% on price. Insane. Insane.
Sidenote, buy my items I price them according to normal players and don't expect double digits exalts for tier 2 items.
Out of curiosity, how much would I have to pay you to buy niche items like these? After you answer I'll tell you what I sold them for.
Edit: since you mentioned checking your shop, I did check it and most of your stuff is 5-20x overpriced,
lol.
I have no idea and I won't even begin to guess though that shield looks like it could be benefecial to my incinerate scion, what with that spell damage.
However, my items are overpriced? I assume you mean by chaos. 5-20 chaos?? I've got itmes for less than 5 chaos and nothing more 20 chaos so I don't know how I could be OVER by 5-20. If you've got some spare time maybe give me an idea of what I should reprice certain items to? I would definately appreciate that.
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