The map level renaming and exp penalty rework are disrespectful to players

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CrypticksVoid wrote:

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Boem wrote:

In reality this was a fair statement, in light of newer players, totally hockwash for experienced players though.

Just here to grammar-nazi, the correct phrase is hogwash, referring to garbage or scraps fed to hogs.

cheers sir, edited.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

Yeah, damned GGG for being disrespectful to their player-base changing the mapping system based on feedback and data gathered.

Based on feedback? Go to the development manifesto and read the feedback! It's more than 90% of the comments that literally say "FUCK YOUR CHANGES!".

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Rather than clarifying what their expectations are (how long do you expect us to do 75 maps for? 78? 80? etc), GGG added a layer of obfuscation

lololololol XD

1. GGG stated that there are map tiers and top tier isn't or player to chain but to run from time to time in dev manifesto. People couldn't understand that (they can't read) So GGG add colors to make this easy to understand.


2. People spend a lot of time in areas from lvl 1 to 68 and this progress is "linear". Then they go to maps and they think thay still have to progress that way so when they have 82 lvl they have to chain 82 maps. It is wrong. Tiers on maps remove that misunderstanding.

GGG explained that in manifesto, I bet you can read but do you understand what you read?

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how long do you expect us to do 75 maps for? 78? 80? etc

there is no set time for that, if you know how to roll maps, if you know how to lvl up fast, if you know how to make good build, if you understand mechanics you spend less time in low maps and move to high maps faster. This time is different for many players so there isnt expected time.

Also you don't understand map system anyway because you mention 80 maps in this sentence. lol

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GGG is literally saying that if you are someone for whom 100 was one of the last frontiers in this game, they don't really care about you.

I literally say "u mad bro?" They say about lvl 100 but changes affect all palyers who do high maps. Once again you don't see what GGG is trying to accomplish.

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kamil1210 wrote:

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how long do you expect us to do 75 maps for? 78? 80? etc

there is no set time for that, if you know how to roll maps, if you know how to lvl up fast, if you know how to make good build, if you understand mechanics you spend less time in low maps and move to high maps faster. This time is different for many players so there isnt expected time.

What kamil means: PoE has no diversity in the end. Play a FotM build, use Ambush via Zana on every map and always roll your boxes "3 blue packs".


And the rename of maps (Lvl is now Tier)?
Yeah, we know that marketing tool! Raider becomes Twix, ... nothing else changes. Worked for Mars Incorporated and now for GGG too xD

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kamil1210 wrote:

I literally say "u mad bro?" They say about lvl 100 but changes affect all palyers who do high maps. Once again you don't see what GGG is trying to accomplish.

You read my posts at a absolutely literal level of comprehension, and when possible you twisted anything semi-ambiguous into a perverse notion that fits your message (though I couldn't find one besides "lololo fu").

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666lol666 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

Yeah, damned GGG for being disrespectful to their player-base changing the mapping system based on feedback and data gathered.

Based on feedback? Go to the development manifesto and read the feedback! It's more than 90% of the comments that literally say "FUCK YOUR CHANGES!".

....you should know better, that doesn't invalidate my statement, not even a tiny bit.

Peace,

-Boem-

There's fuck all wrong with maps at the moment. I don't get why we need anymore changes. Focus on other parts of the game that screw with system performance.

If youre willing to invest in rolling your maps and do harder content you will find a way to sustain high level maps. All this fucking tweak tweak tweak does my head in. Stop messing everything up just as we all start to get used to the previous changes. These constant mapping changes drive me fucking insane. Just let me level to 100 in peace.

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kcstar wrote:

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kamil1210 wrote:

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how long do you expect us to do 75 maps for? 78? 80? etc

there is no set time for that, if you know how to roll maps, if you know how to lvl up fast, if you know how to make good build, if you understand mechanics you spend less time in low maps and move to high maps faster. This time is different for many players so there isnt expected time.

FotM build,

1. we have FoTM build because often they are very good build. If player can choice A or B and B is a bit better than A then he will take B. You can't make game with perfect balance so you can't make game without FoTM things.

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use Ambush via Zana on every map and always roll your boxes "3 blue packs".

and play in party ;-)

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And the rename of maps (Lvl is now Tier)?
Yeah, we know that marketing tool! Raider becomes Twix, ... nothing else changes. Worked for Mars Incorporated and now for GGG too xD

IDK about mars incorporated but maps levels are misleading because maps are different than other content, it is good that GGG move to tiers.

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kamil1210 wrote:

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kcstar wrote:

FotM build,

1. we have FoTM build because often they are very good build. If player can choice A or B and B is a bit better than A then he will take B. You can't make game with perfect balance so you can't make game without FoTM things.

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use Ambush via Zana on every map and always roll your boxes "3 blue packs".

and play in party ;-)

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And the rename of maps (Lvl is now Tier)?
Yeah, we know that marketing tool! Raider becomes Twix, ... nothing else changes. Worked for Mars Incorporated and now for GGG too xD

IDK about mars incorporated but maps levels are misleading because maps are different than other content, it is good that GGG move to tiers.

... and play in party, you are right. We both agree, diversity is overrated. "Learning to play" means: do the only thing that works atm. Nothing to "learn", just a simple copy&paste scenario, same for FotM... or more FotYear :D

But I don't know what's missleading about map level... they show you what zone level your are entering (important for ilvl AND for me as a summoner... kind of). But in the end it's the same... I know a 68 is "easier" than a 69 map... same for tier 1/2. But people expected to play always maps that are similar to their char level... instead of a rename they should ramp up difficulty of maps... natural selection. No one wants to chain 82s (sry... it's now Twix... errr... Tier 15!) if they always die. You ask me how they should ramp up difficulty? IDK but I am no game designer and it's not my job.

I really don't think we should take a terrible lecture about game pricing. Then compare it to a complex game that has much more difficult calculations then "800/10 = ?". Then try to simplify it into a discussion about how GGG is disrespectful.

If you can't do basic math then use one of the many websites that will explain it in simple terms for you. This isn't some kiddie puzzle game, pretty sure the intended audience is adults and anyone that knows the arpg genre knows number crunching is part of it. You do it yourself or find a website/calculator to do it for you.

I don't necessarily agree with the new map tier system but it is clear they are trying to make it easier for new people to understand, that is not disrespectful that is the opposite. Yes it might be harder for long time players to understand but I think we already have a pretty good leg up on newbies and can adapt.