Lightning Coil or Daresso's Defiance, to be or not to be...

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skuadak wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

You can't beat the mitigation from the coil, but you also probably give up a damage aura or herald by having to run purity of lightning.

I heard this (somewhat sounding reasonable) opinion before, is it really such obligatory? I'd hate to drop my hatred. I'm asking as guy who have no shame in taking advantage of being SC player. Is it just smart decision that purity or literaly obligatory? Sorry I ask such probably basics but anything that don't shoot bow is new for me and big mistery.

Its not obligatory - I run minus resist maps all the time at 78+ level and I manage to survive by just having good flask uptime (flask has +50% lit resist out of the -60% that coil gives), however, consider that a single death will set you back hours of gameplay once you hit 90+, and you might look at it in a different way. After all, once you get high enough, more damage really doesn't give you that much bang for your buck, whereas more survivability saves you a lot of time.

If your lightning resist will be negative, Lightning coil will make you take more damage from physical hits than if you had no chest on. If you have zero lightning resist, there is no reason to use the coil as you'll take the same damage as without. If you have 25% lightning resist, you'll only mitigate 7.5% physical damage with new coil or 10% with legacy coil. Missing big potential effective health by not being maxed.

You don't have to run purity. But using a coil without having max lightning resist at the time you get hit is really not taking advantage of what the chest has to offer (considering there are other chests you could be wearing). Flasks could do it as long as the flask is up when you get hit. Easiest way is reach max (195% needed) is purity of lightning. Plus the extra 4% max resist gains you extra mitigation to both lightning damage and physical damage.

So all is there is simply capping resitance? I thought you mean even better phys damage mitigation thanks to sinking converted lighting dmg by +10%max light resitance from purity.

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jebroni wrote:

legacy coil > daressos hands down

^This!

For me legacy coil is the best chest in geme by far. 40% from coil & 24% from 6 charges & 4% from golem is completely uber. On top of that use a taste of hate flask for another 30% and laugh about every single possible hit this game has to offer.

Edit: Don't fear the -lightning resist. With good gear you can still end up with overcapped 120-130 all resist.

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666lol666 wrote:

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jebroni wrote:

legacy coil > daressos hands down

^This!

For me legacy coil is the best chest in geme by far. 40% from coil & 24% from 6 charges & 4% from golem is completely uber. On top of that use a taste of hate flask for another 30% and laugh about every single possible hit this game has to offer.

You're never going to get 40% phys reduction from coil.

A legacy with normal res cap is 30% reduction. With 4% max res from lvl 20 purity of lightning it's 31.6% reduction. With the right setup it's possible to get 97% max light res, which is 38.8% reduction.

A non legacy coil's numbers are 22.5%, 23.7%, and 29.1% for 75%, 79%, and 97% max res, respectively.

But coil is still a better chest in most cases, even with a non legacy, in my opinion.

lightning coil is literally the best mitigation chest in the entire game, possibly the best chest in the entire game full stop to be honest, absolutely no competition in my mind from daressos.


Unless you were running PoL anyway imo you should cap your resist without purity of lightning and dont run it. The extra max resist is virtually worthless in terms of physical mitigation, its less than half an endurance charge for an entire aura. You would get vastly more phys mitigation from arctic armour, which i also wouldnt suggest running because u got a legacy coil its op phys mitigation by itself. I feel like if you need pol to cap lightning res its questionable if you really have the gear to use a coil properly. If u want pol for lightning mitigation then by all means go for it and its nice it gives a little phys but dont run it just for phys mitigation its terrible.


I use lvl20 cwdt on my marauder, 3,300 damage on a 6,600 life character, its going to go off before you die unless you get 1 shot or its a dot. Only thing I have linked to it is immortal call increased duration, I have a seperate lvl1 cwdt with enfeeble.


I would suggest you 6 socket it before you try and fuse it.

Many thanks to all for the advice. Definitely I will go for the Coil...

Just one thing. As self found player is almost impossible for me to collect gems for make a 6 links and much less considering that I only need the armor as such, to mitigate damage. In the armor I have only settings for dual curse, and in my PoH my real skill attack. This is my actual configuration :)




Again, thank you very much for your help, and greetings.

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zSavage wrote:

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666lol666 wrote:

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jebroni wrote:

legacy coil > daressos hands down

^This!

For me legacy coil is the best chest in geme by far. 40% from coil & 24% from 6 charges & 4% from golem is completely uber. On top of that use a taste of hate flask for another 30% and laugh about every single possible hit this game has to offer.

You're never going to get 40% phys reduction from coil.

A legacy with normal res cap is 30% reduction. With 4% max res from lvl 20 purity of lightning it's 31.6% reduction.

That is of course true but for example my char has 86-87 (130 overcapped) all resists and 50% chaos resist. When I pop my flasks I have 100% all resists & 80% chaos resist. At this point I do get the 40% from coil even in elemental weakness maps.

Edit: But as snorkle_uk said - there are many many builds that do not need to run pol (normal cap with nice gear is often good enough).

Well, I know a lot of people use these chests as a defense on their own, but I kinda felt like they have to be supported with something to be truly good. Following statements may be wrong, but worked for me.


Daresso's requires you not to be hit often to be good. Aka solid evasion AND acro. The issue I had with it was bosses. 1 CWDT-IC trigger and then there was no way to get End Charges which sometimes lead to deaths in high level maps.

Coil requires some additional phys damage mitigation. Dont forget that you get shocked BEFORE the phys portion of hit is calculated. So then you take 50% more damage from the 60% unmitigated damage. Some of the big, nasty, hard-hitting motherfuckers can oneshot you. EC is a solution. Not sure about Warlord's Mark, because it comes with the same problem as Daresso's.

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Darth_Silegy wrote:

Daresso's requires you not to be hit often to be good. Aka solid evasion AND acro. The issue I had with it was bosses. 1 CWDT-IC trigger and then there was no way to get End Charges which sometimes lead to deaths in high level maps.

I use Daresso's on my WoE cycloner (lvl 85) in Warbands. I run armor mainly with some evasion and 43% block atm.

I don't use IC at all on him, at least right now. I also don't get hit often because I move around a lot, but when I do, the DPS buff from onslaught is really good.

So I disagree that it has to be used with evasion and acro to be good. You can use it on a generic melee character in most cases. It's just a little different way of using it.