What's your CS GO Rank?

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TheWretch wrote:

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LostForm wrote:

technically, using a mouse is a physical activity. we havn't quite got to mind-link input. e-sport if you must. still a difference between it (sports) and a game.

Oh boy..

ya..stretching my legs while I play makes me at athlete.. "technically"

Next you're gonna tell me FPS players would make great soldiers lol

I'd be more inclined to say that flight simulator experts are better 'soldiers'. But ya, I'd listen to strategy on attacking a fixed position from some of these cs:go in game leaders, maybe not necessarily execute the plan, but make the plan? ya.

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LostForm wrote:

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TheWretch wrote:

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LostForm wrote:

technically, using a mouse is a physical activity. we havn't quite got to mind-link input. e-sport if you must. still a difference between it (sports) and a game.

Oh boy..

ya..stretching my legs while I play makes me at athlete.. "technically"

Next you're gonna tell me FPS players would make great soldiers lol

I'd be more inclined to say that flight simulator experts are better 'soldiers'. But ya, I'd listen to strategy on attacking a fixed position from some of these cs:go in game leaders, maybe not necessarily execute the plan, but make the plan? ya.

Right. GL with that.

E: If ever aliens invade im running to the nearest SC2 pro's place lol

well wretch, how do you explain things like this then?

"When the Army launched its PC-based video game, America’s Army, three and a half years ago (sic), the service’s intention was to connect with young people, encourage teamwork and promote its core values. But now the action game is morphing beyond its original mission, becoming the platform for numerous other military and government training simulations.

“Before we even launched the public game, we knew from development that this type of technology was pretty powerful for training, especially small units—small infantry teams, special forces teams,” said Christopher Chambers, deputy director for America’s Army, in an interview with National Defense.
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-http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2006/february/pages/games_brance3042.aspx


just google military training using video games, and save your snark for somebody else eh? (you are wrong)

another interesting, well documented article about developing visual-spatial skills:

http://www.parentingscience.com/beneficial-effects-of-video-games.html

No, you are wrong. Google what soldiers in the field think of FPS' and how it has zero relation to actual combat. If anything, the gamers had tunnel vision and hit more IEDs and had less situational awareness than the country bumpkins with 0 gaming experience. I'm done.

I reserve the right to be snarky.

FWIW America's Army was a propaganda tool used to snare dumb gamer teens into joining the military, that thing was a piece of junk, nothing more, do your research. If nothing else I guess their propaganda worked :)

America's Army....oh wow cool looking game..too bad its not 1995

agreed about that game being propaganda, it even says it right in the quote, it was a recruitment tool, you are not disputing the quote at all, but that wasn't the important part of what I quoted, it was using the physics and platform for other training tools. Like I said, to develop strategies.

and the flight simulator comment was for pilots flying unmanned aircraft, completely from a computer screen remotely.


nice sources as well friend, you don't make claims and then put the burden of proof on somebody else eh? forums learning future snipers I suppose. snark is all you bring to this discussion, because you don't feel like e sports is a thing, sorry to disabuse you about themilitary training though :(

Enlisted men talk shit about officer training as well, doesn't make school trained officers a thing of fiction though. You are wrong.

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LostForm wrote:

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agreed about that game being propaganda, it even says it right in the quote, it was a recruitment tool, you are not disputing the quote at all, but that wasn't the important part of what I quoted, it was using the physics and platform for other training tools. Like I said, to develop strategies.

and the flight simulator comment was for pilots flying unmanned aircraft, completely from a computer screen remotely.


nice sources as well friend, you don't make claims and then put the burden of proof on somebody else eh? forums learning future snipers I suppose. snark is all you bring to this discussion, because you don't feel like e sports is a thing, sorry to disabuse you about themilitary training though :(

Enlisted men talk shit about officer training as well, doesn't make school trained officers a thing of fiction though. You are wrong

here's one for ya bud

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/02/23/what-do-real-soldiers-think-of-shooting-games

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One thing is certain, real life combat is much more tactical than its videogame version "Full blown-out combat is not a common thing," says Marine Lance Corporal Nicko Requesto. "No enemy is going to stand out in the open for you to easily shoot, but most of the time enemies in these games like to stand in front of my weapon. Soldiers learn to cover each other and work as a team covering all line of fire while maintaining a dominant position and then maneuvering to pin the enemy with fire."

Marine Lance Corporal Anthony Andrada, who has already served one term in Iraq and is currently on active reserve, adds, "The games attempt to show how realistic the war situation is, but in the end, it's just a game and not really what war is really like. They are all more of just shoot and move type games."

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Due to these fundamental differences, many tactics in these shooters would "never work in real life," states Andrada. Requesto adds, "Often in these games, I would break cover and just shoot, most of the time I just dash forward and start shooting. The cover and concealment concept is almost nowhere."

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While militaristic games may often miss their mark of reality, could a gamer benefit from using any real-world tactics out on the virtual battlefield?

Andrada doesn't think so. "My real-life combat training doesn't really help. It's more of how you can exploit the game's mechanics to be successful than knowing any real tactics about war."

Yawn.

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“I think [military shooters] could even be seen as a recruitment tool, like these kids are thinking, ‘Yeah, I want to go kill terrorists, kill the bad guys,'” said Thierry. “But no amount of gaming will prepare you for what you’re walking into

Regarding my point about gamers having shitty situational awareness, this report is by the US army..

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/28/world/fg-bombs-vision28

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As Marines train to deploy to war zones, there is daily discussion about how to detect and disarm the buried roadside bombs that are the No. 1 killer of Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Military researchers have found that two groups of personnel are particularly good at spotting anomalies: those with hunting backgrounds, who traipsed through the woods as youths looking to bag a deer or turkey; and those who grew up in tough urban neighborhoods, where it is often important to know what gang controls which block.

Personnel who fit neither category, often young men who grew up in the suburbs and developed a liking for video games, do not seem to have the depth perception and peripheral vision of the others, even if their eyesight is 20/20.

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The best troops he's ever seen when it comes to spotting bombs were soldiers from the South Carolina National Guard, nearly all with rural backgrounds that included hunting.

"They just seemed to pick up things much better," Burnett said. "They know how to look at the entire environment."

Troops from urban backgrounds also seemed to have developed an innate "threat-assessment" ability. Both groups, said Army research psychologist Steve Burnett, "seem very adaptable to the kinds of environments" seen in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Video game enthusiasts are narrower in their focus, as if the windshield of their Humvee is a computer screen. "The gamers are very focused on the screen rather than the whole surrounding," said Sgt. Maj. Burnett (no relation to the research psychologist).

So plzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Your turn. Sources? Cause the only one you've mentioned so far is the guy behind America's Army videogame, he's not biased at all..




E: I never said esports wasn't a "thing". I said its not a sport and it doesn't make for good military training. /

http://www.army.mil/article/84453/

https://defensesystems.com/articles/2014/12/12/army-marines-lvc-virtual-training.aspx

http://www.vrs.org.uk/virtual-reality-military/index.html


http://www.military.com/military-report/army-integrated-training-portal.html

^ notice the 'located on army's milgaming network'


some of this is virtual reality, or video games with props, some is specific to certain weapon systems, some is used to develop on the fly data analysis, some to virtualize the location and entry points, some to learn how to take commands on the fly, some how to give commands on the fly (relevant to my I'd listen to their strategy comment).


"The next capability will be a leader-focused, soldier-centric capability that immerses a soldier, wherever they are at the point of training, in a synthetic environment, that allows us to tailor that environment to the demands of the leader," Col. David S. Cannon of the Combined Arms Center said in a release. Officials at CAC and the Army Doctrine4 and Training Command expect those next-gen tools to be introduced between 2023 and 2031.

http://defensesystems.com/Articles/2015/04/13/Army-next-generation-virtual-training-simulations.aspx

gotta love off topic :p

LOL wth does that have to do with videogames, you're reaching. And URL your tags, if you think i'm pasting all that..

added the tags, but you brought up soldiering, friend :p

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LostForm wrote:

added the tags, but you brought up soldiering friend :p

The only sources you've mentioned are people behind some futuristic pipe dream programs coming out in 20 years hoping to get funding so they make up all kinds of projections and fancy jargon. Where are the real world applications and situations to support your arguments?