Are the +Damage passive nodes bad?

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Erasculio wrote:

the elemental damage nodes on the Passive tree (both the generic "x% increased elemental damage" ones and the "x% increased y damage" ones)

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Etherfire wrote:

I think you're missing what the OP is asking. Even attack speed nodes and damage notables count as dps passives.

@Etherfire: What are you talking about?

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bersi23 wrote:

So what exactly did you want to say with your well geared and smart planned build?

well you said "There are exactly zero endgame viable builds allowing to perform well and made of just some good items and tons of pure dmg/life/es nodes on the tree." and my point was I dont think thats strictly true, I think simply grabbing life, damage and defense is perfectly viable without having some kind of gimmick the build relies on or is built around.

But in your reply you specify what you meant with that statement more, you dont mean just grabbing life/damage/defense you mean grabbing the nearest life/damage/defense rather than picking smart life/damage/defense which yes, I agree with.

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

This is my current build:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMAAuMEBwVCBx4HpQj0DkgQWBEPEVARlhOeFLAXVBslHU8fAh_HJpUreCycLX0tizI0Nbk3gTpYQZZEq0lRSbJLrkwtUrJT1FVLVa5VxlcrXfJfKmHiakNtGXRVdhF-M36vghCCHoPbh2WIQow2jRmNgo-mj_qVLp8BpJGnK6yYrrOvm7WFvOq9gsBUwbTBxdD10eTZW9lf3Yzfit-w4BLjVuTr5OzlGekC6-TsGO9Q8NX-sw==

While using Arc and the unique Three Dragons so lightning damage freezes enemies.

Now, is this build inefficient? Most of the time I was trying to avoid going long distances just to not waste points on travelling through the Tree, but that also meant just getting the nearest nodes without checking if they are the best ones at what they do.

I can make this clear to you with the following example:

I've played some months with the 5 ele dmg nodes on the staring point of the shadow (behind Trickery). I'm elemetal Scion cycloner, btw. Then, I've revoked these 5 ele dmg passives, as well as the 3 attack speed passives above Vall Pact and used those 8 passives to skill Acrobatics.

At first sight, that must be a huge drawback in terms of paper dps, right?
But the true difference in terms of real damage output was hardly notable. But my char became much tougher and I was able to deal with more dangerous situations quicker and safer - this resulted in a better performance and, at the pretty end, I was doing MORE damage.

Yep, it's completely inefficient.

Honestly OP, you should have just linked your tree in the first place - it's 100% specific to the build.

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgMAB6WCEN-wLJxJsgLjdhEQWND1QZYFQlAwTLOus92M2V_gEo0Zfq8RD9te2wuCHklR8NWP-vIdZJ3r9QcelS5wUonTcNVd8g5IEZakkX4zjDYTnmHiVUsWvyaVY0NVxjpYrJi2-vemjmQdFI9Gm6H319Wm5CIabIKb7DiaO-08kFUnL9V1zLdxhcAaGjixQtq5RteiAOFzwGYEs2jy8B826SSq42oWb_rSakPAVLzqaxeVIC0fCPTB86Kjf8Y=

Tree should look more like that, there is zero need for chance to shock etc, as crits already guarantee that, you had not enough life/es in the previous iteration (better just to focus life and use ES for mana conversion/MoM)

Take a look at my Arc witch's build:

http://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMBBUIHHgj0DkgRDxGWE54UsBZAFm8Wvx0UJpUnLyj6KU8qOCycNZI6WDvjQYdBlkSrRPtFnUlRTC1Ms1AwU1JVS1WuVcZXK1eUXfJh4mNDZAlknWaeakNtGXBScNV-M4IQgh6Cm4LHg9uFfYhCidOKKIw2j0aPpo_6kFWVLprgm6GkkacIqW6smK6ztfK3PriTvYLAVMHF0PXVpti92t3bC9te34rfsONq6QLr7uv17BjsOPDV8h331_no-tL-Cv6z

I have this build from one of the guides here on forums and changes few things to adopt it to my playstyle and items.

Here the gear:


Its a little lvl 80 twink, so there is nothing special to expect. But I can solo not very hard rolled maps upto lvl ~72 atm.

I see, thanks. I understand now what you meant with saying that it's more efficent to aim for notables instead of getting everything on the way. Those are two interesting builds.

I agree with chunda, not worth it to spec chance to freeze, chance to shock etc, even if youre not crit i would never spec shock chance with arc its just not necessary tbh. Id ditch 3 dragons if it were me, Id much rather shock than freeze, ultimately Id rather just kill everything very quickly by speccing cast speed and damage rather than freezing or speccing shock. Best way to scale shock chance is cast speed/crit chance. My arc is non crit, no specific shock speccing, everything is shocked all the time, almost instantly I shock every target. Im using added lightning which gives shock chance, sometimes I play with added chaos instead... and I still shock everything all the time. Arc has inbuilt shock, even non crit you have a bit of crit, theres damage nodes with chance to shock, you dont need the specific shock nodes when you can just scale cast speed that in turn scales damage per sec and shocks per sec by simply hitting more times per sec.


Honestly thats part of what I was getting at before with gimmicks vs just stacking the basics, I think new players more often than not go wrong by not learning to make simple builds that spec damage, life and defense. They go for these gimmick builds that revolve around some sort of snowflake trickery and more often than not it turns out badly because they dont look after the basics. Its like a school full of trainee chefs who cant make a simple bowl of pasta that tastes great trying to cook three way fried haddock profiteroles with tartar ice cream and a side of freeze dried deconstructed cappuccino dipping crumbs.. just stop, if you cant put 4 ingredients together in a pan and make it taste amazing then you will never be able to cook something worth talking about no matter how many ingredients and edgy tricks you try and throw into what youre doing. Its not that edgy tricks are never good, but you cant run till you know how to walk and you cant build an effective runner without legs.



my arc if its of interest, tho its non crit.

Foxish MoM Cloak Arcer

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bersi23 wrote:

Take a look at my Arc witch's build:

http://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMBBUIHHgj0DkgRDxGWE54UsBZAFm8Wvx0UJpUnLyj6KU8qOCycNZI6WDvjQYdBlkSrRPtFnUlRTC1Ms1AwU1JVS1WuVcZXK1eUXfJh4mNDZAlknWaeakNtGXBScNV-M4IQgh6Cm4LHg9uFfYhCidOKKIw2j0aPpo_6kFWVLprgm6GkkacIqW6smK6ztfK3PriTvYLAVMHF0PXVpti92t3bC9te34rfsONq6QLr7uv17BjsOPDV8h331_no-tL-Cv6z

I have this build from one of the guides here on forums and changes few things to adopt it to my playstyle and items.

Here the gear:

Spoiler

Its a little lvl 80 twink, so there is nothing special to expect. But I can solo not very hard rolled maps upto lvl ~72 atm.

you take dark arts but youre not dual wield?