WTF is wrong with ming's heart?

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Broxxxigar wrote:

amount of money needed to get 20k tooltip on non crit EK equals to a build with same defenses and 5 times more dps

You can hit 20k dps with less than 2 Ex (Geofri's Crest + a decent wand). You could even do it all self-found. The time investment, however, is large because your gems need to be at high levels with quality to get that damage. And how many other builds leave you enough skill points to reach Phase Acrobatics and take enough mana to run a lvl 20 AA on top of that? A Pledge of Hands, which isn't exactly cheap, might allow some builds to do that, but you don't need one here.

No, the damage doesn't compare to a lot of builds, but the potential defenses and price tag make it worthwhile, especially for newer players. Or everyone could play Incinerate.

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skill needs bufs, without any doubt

I'm on board with an EK buff.

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Tempada wrote:

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Broxxxigar wrote:

amount of money needed to get 20k tooltip on non crit EK equals to a build with same defenses and 5 times more dps

You can hit 20k dps with less than 2 Ex (Geofri's Crest + a decent wand). You could even do it all self-found. The time investment, however, is large because your gems need to be at high levels with quality to get that damage. And how many other builds leave you enough skill points to reach Phase Acrobatics and take enough mana to run a lvl 20 AA on top of that? A Pledge of Hands, which isn't exactly cheap, might allow some builds to do that, but you don't need one here.

No, the damage doesn't compare to a lot of builds, but the potential defenses and price tag make it worthwhile, especially for newer players. Or everyone could play Incinerate.

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skill needs bufs, without any doubt

I'm on board with an EK buff.

make me a tree and link me gear

played EK in invasion reached 95.5 with build, i know what EK needs to reach 20k+ tooltip dps
(only if by a build u mean something with 50% life nodes in tree, well dont bother then i dont consider that a build)

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Broxxxigar wrote:

make me a tree and link me gear

played EK in invasion reached 95.5 with build, i know what EK needs to reach 20k+ tooltip dps

Invasion was a while ago now... Well, can't login to try out gear at the moment, but here's a link to my build thread and my tree at level 93:


If that's more life than you need, you can drop some for projectile damage, elemental damage, or cast speed. It's fairly flexible.

Or there's Cantrip's build, also at level 93:


Both of our builds are based on an aura/buff concept. Cantrip even pulls his off with a Tabula Rasa, although I think he has to Lightning Warp around if he doesn't want to drain his mana and deactivate AA.

Snorkle has a sweet build too, and while it's "crit lite" and optimized for his crazy gear, he can reach 18k dps with Geofri's Crest and a crap wand.

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Tempada wrote:

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Broxxxigar wrote:

make me a tree and link me gear

played EK in invasion reached 95.5 with build, i know what EK needs to reach 20k+ tooltip dps

Invasion was a while ago now... Well, can't login to try out gear at the moment, but here's a link to my build thread and my tree at level 93:

Spoiler

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAv4DHgW1BfkGIwceCPQMfQ18DkgQfxGWFecWvxbzGYoajxzcHaofQSY8JpUo-ipTLYMvby-dMHExnjIBNZI2PTpCOuFBh0LDRZ1GcUlRS3hN41NSVUtXyV3yYeJh62KVYqxqQ2qMaxdsjG1scLtzs3pTf8aCHoLHgwmMNo_6kyeVIJUulwaa4Jsmnaqio6LZplew2LIZsnC0DLVItz6747zqwFTB88Sixp7IFMu9z3rUI9i92RPbC92o34ThiOaB53To1uq66-7sGPBr8NXyRfVv9tr56PsJ_gr-j_66

If that's more life than you need, you can drop some for projectile damage, elemental damage, or cast speed. It's fairly flexible.

Or there's Cantrip's build, also at level 93:

Spoiler

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgYAotmw2GqM9W_IFGHiJpUWv4w2VUsfQQMetUgGI2yMnao2PW1sYqxd8g5I44RJUfDVlS4HHhGWL2_ZE3C77BiP-tsLgh6IQsHFz3qyGTIBmybo1ud01CMFtTpCS3jdqDBxxKKXBgX5Go_22vsJGYotg_66u-NVxjpYrJgRD0wtFLBfKnRVgKRV1mTnFy_60h0Uj0aboffX42oWb5BVGjjAGmaeJy-aO4Kb7DjVpu084XOiAASzwGZTUkWdmuDr7riTpwjGnhB_DH2Cxyj62L3-Crc-QYf56DGeplc64fJF

Both of our builds are based on an aura/buff concept. Cantrip even pulls his off with a Tabula Rasa, although I think he has to Lightning Warp around if he doesn't want to drain his mana and deactivate AA.

Snorkle has a sweet build too, and while it's "crit lite" and optimized for his crazy gear, he can reach 18k dps with Geofri's Crest and a crap wand.

well i see stuff there that is more than 2 ex but ok, there is no point discussing this further because i wanted to say that EK is below good builds atm, and even with END END game gear EK doesn't have anything to show that is impressive, base dmg should be much higher (you would have to build around reflect as anti measure)

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walentaz wrote:

- a lvl16 added chaos (104-157) privides me 271-410 of chaos damage in spell tooltip
- ming's heart provides 20% of my phys, and it gives me only 155-232 of chaos damage in spell tooltip.

Does a ring slot normally provide as much of a damage boost as a support slot?
Is a ring slot supposed to provide as much of a damage boost as a support slot?

I love my double mings.



This item is so cool for the right builds :).

Peace,

-Boem-

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pneuma wrote:

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walentaz wrote:

- a lvl16 added chaos (104-157) privides me 271-410 of chaos damage in spell tooltip
- ming's heart provides 20% of my phys, and it gives me only 155-232 of chaos damage in spell tooltip.

Does a ring slot normally provide as much of a damage boost as a support slot?
Is a ring slot supposed to provide as much of a damage boost as a support slot?

What slot has to do with anything? It's unique and it has a quite big downside. It has no defensive stats (chaos resit is one nobody cares about), it reduces max life and ES and the key affix is adding 20% of phys as chaos which you almost cannot scale. So yeah ring sucks generally.

But there are items that provide a significant dps increase, for example: Rat's Nest (with no negative effects), Abyssus and these are helmets which is a defensive slot by default. So I don't understand your point of view at all.

Ek is not in good spot right now, let's take for example Flameblast - it's effective, good as single target and even better as AOE, it's cheap, eashy to scale. Do I mind it's OP? No, I would rather see some underwhelming skills getting some love from GGG. Why? Because nerfing "OP" skills won't make such skill as EK any better (it would be only illusion of being slightly less behind than it is now)

Show a ring that can provide the same dps increase as a Ming's Heart on your build.