Zerphi the killer.

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So making Gemlings is a lost art, somehow they figued out how to put it inside humans and not mutate them.
- Me

I never said we where Gemlings, I said it was a lost art. Maybe how I strucured the sentence with Zerphi it sounded like that. We only know how to place them in tools, but in the past they knew how to make "divine Gemlings".


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Merveil never turns into a monster. She IS always a monster, who uses her gem's ability to create illusions of beauty and wealth to lure people into her trap. You just break the illusions after first stage of fight, and completely beat it after killing her.



The thing is, where did she get the gem from? According to some site information it was taken by a gemling. From the pattern I see, that slain Gemling sound have probably transformed the moment it was sliced from his/her body. But then it was given to Merveil, who slowly turned into a monster. I can't help but feel that death triggers something with the gems, or the gems themselves become "nightmarish".


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For Dominus I think the situation is similar. The dominus body we fight is just the illusion cast by real dominus, the old guy hooked up to cables and machines in the upper balcony of Dominus fight area. Once we kill his projections he is also wasted.


I've seen that body in game, but I cannot say if that is him or not. What captures my attention is the way he gets pulled in by something when he dies...and Piety seems to follow the same pattern.

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Also we are not gemlings. We do not place stones in our body, that art is lost and that's why piety and dominus was experimenting on people to try and recover it. We just use a weak substitute for that; placing them in tharmaturgical items. Vorici explains all that if you talk to him.



To me, all of Piety's "miscreations" are a failed attempt at making Gemlings, as well as Grigor or that guy that is half turned into some abomination. Another weird thing...is the mirror dream he has. But that is an entire new story that seems to hint the Mirror of Kalandra. You can only hear him speak of this if you ask him about Clarissa before saving her.


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More please! Where do I subscribe?


Lol.. that was just the feeling I get whenever I speak about the things in game that are not related to QQ, "I quit", or other popular threads. The Lore just seems to either

A. someone links to me that wiki with the lore put together.

or

B. We're not suppose to talk about it at all. Much like real life and the things going on around us.





Ahhh, lore speculation! My favourite pastime!
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Merveil never turns into a monster. She IS always a monster, who uses her gem's ability to create illusions of beauty and wealth to lure people into her trap. You just break the illusions after first stage of fight, and completely beat it after killing her.

Not totally true. Merveil did change, after she wore that necklace Daresso gave her for a while (Bestel says so at some point: "The sweetness remained, while the sanity fled"). If I remember this correctly, Daresso took the gem off the corpse of Kalisa Maas, a Sarn opera singer that's described in one of the Library books. I think that was a piece of Clarissa's dialogue that was cut from the game at some point.
As for Zerphi, here's what I think: he was not a gemling himself, but he figured something out - that the gems were inhabited or at least connected to some powerful godlike being ("the Beast", as it's called at several Act 3 points). He found out that he could "feed" this being by inflicting extreme pain on a gemling, and as a reward for him torturing Vaal gemlings to death, his life was greatly prolonged. It#s still unclear why he died at all after kidnapping his last victim, though...
When Atziri learned of this, she tasked Doryani with finding out how to replicate this process and make her immortal. This lead to the events described in the Vaal letters in corrupted zones: Gemlings being sacrificed by the thousands, sometimes being infused with gems just for this purpose.
We don't know what lead to the Vaal diappearing. I guess Atziri had some endgame, some unspeakable act of mass murder to get her wish granted. Well, something went wrong: I guess either the Beast betrayed her and absorbed her entire civilization, or someone stopped her shortly before her plan being complete.
In the Eternal Empire, after the "Tears of the Maji" (a possible name for the Beast) were discovered where the Azmeri burrowed them in Highgate, Emperor Chitus tasked Malachai with 8uncovering the true power of the gems. Malachai infused Dialla with gems, and for some reason, his deeds and a decision Dialla made let her succeed where Atziri failed...
A sword he brought, his foes to maim and rend,
from places dark behind forbidden doors,
But night by night he woke with frighten'd roars
from darkest dreams, too strange to comprehend.
(Anonymous)
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Thyrandor wrote:
Ahhh, lore speculation! My favourite pastime!
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Merveil never turns into a monster. She IS always a monster, who uses her gem's ability to create illusions of beauty and wealth to lure people into her trap. You just break the illusions after first stage of fight, and completely beat it after killing her.

Not totally true. Merveil did change, after she wore that necklace Daresso gave her for a while (Bestel says so at some point: "The sweetness remained, while the sanity fled"). If I remember this correctly, Daresso took the gem off the corpse of Kalisa Maas, a Sarn opera singer that's described in one of the Library books. I think that was a piece of Clarissa's dialogue that was cut from the game at some point.
As for Zerphi, here's what I think: he was not a gemling himself, but he figured something out - that the gems were inhabited or at least connected to some powerful godlike being ("the Beast", as it's called at several Act 3 points). He found out that he could "feed" this being by inflicting extreme pain on a gemling, and as a reward for him torturing Vaal gemlings to death, his life was greatly prolonged. It#s still unclear why he died at all after kidnapping his last victim, though...
When Atziri learned of this, she tasked Doryani with finding out how to replicate this process and make her immortal. This lead to the events described in the Vaal letters in corrupted zones: Gemlings being sacrificed by the thousands, sometimes being infused with gems just for this purpose.
We don't know what lead to the Vaal diappearing. I guess Atziri had some endgame, some unspeakable act of mass murder to get her wish granted. Well, something went wrong: I guess either the Beast betrayed her and absorbed her entire civilization, or someone stopped her shortly before her plan being complete.
In the Eternal Empire, after the "Tears of the Maji" (a possible name for the Beast) were discovered where the Azmeri burrowed them in Highgate, Emperor Chitus tasked Malachai with 8uncovering the true power of the gems. Malachai infused Dialla with gems, and for some reason, his deeds and a decision Dialla made let her succeed where Atziri failed...


This! I keep thinking similar to this with the hints punching me in the fact again and again. And that singer, now I recall it. It seemed that killing her is what triggered the changing of Merveil (to me). There was some leaked stuff here awhile ago, and it kinda put even more info to our hands, but I stopped reading it because I didn't think it was fair to the crew at GGG and I didn't wish to fully spoil anything. If I dig into my memeory even more, I think at some point gems where considered bad, and when they where not used there was the greatest peace ever.

Now, in the future it seems we just use them all without a care, trying to get into being "God". But I'll be damned to hell and back if I can figure out WHERE the gems come from. That's a big missing puzzle piece.
Obviously (or maybe not so obviously) I am talking about the change that happens during the fight.

I believe you were just too focused on combat that you didnt realize the gold piles and golden statues around turning into piles of meat and bones, and statues turning into hung skeletons.

It is quite clear that all that allure including her beautiful early form is just an illusion, which breaks apart when we kill her.
wow guys, that's some serious fun lore :)

my own speculation though, is the gems don't just corrupt someone - they take his/her soul/essence and feed it to this "beast" or "darkness" we will likely fight at the end of Act 10.
that's where Atziri and her "sacrifice" theme fit in: Chitus'/Vaal Gemlings, Fidelitas, Merveil, Atziri, Dominus, Piety's Miscreations and maybe Piety herself are for all intents and purposes, dead.

Dominus is likely the best example of this: the body up on the balcony shows no signs of life. not during the battle and not after it. he sacrificed himself, and in exchange got to become the "Dominus" we fight. he "ascended". paid the ultimate price for ultimate power.
the others I mentioned are lesser examples, because we don't actually get to see the "real" them, who are probably buried somewhere.

those aren't illusions, Pilla. those are real, powerful, nightmarish clones made to replace the people/historical figures of Wraeclast who's souls they took. all ultimately controlled by this "beast", who in the case of Dominus seems to at least partially interfere personally because we pissed it off - hence the 2nd part of the fight.

the gems, are just a means to an end. and figures like Malachai, Atziri's advisor (forgot his name), Piety (if she isn't dead) and Maligaro are tools. they fed souls to the "beast" by experimenting with the gems.
like so many others, they were drawn to the gems' power, not knowing they are falling into a trap.
though Malachai is probably unique in this regard: he did it knowingly and with a purpose.
Act 4 will answer why :)
Alva: I'm sweating like a hog in heat
Shadow: That was fun
Last edited by johnKeys#6083 on Oct 7, 2014, 1:37:12 AM
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johnKeys wrote:
wow guys, that's some serious fun lore :)

my own speculation though, is the gems don't just corrupt someone - they take his/her soul/essence and feed it to this "beast" or "darkness" we will likely fight at the end of Act 10.
that's where Atziri and her "sacrifice" theme fit in: Chitus'/Vaal Gemlings, Fidelitas, Merveil, Atziri, Dominus, Piety's Miscreations and maybe Piety herself are for all intents and purposes, dead.

Dominus is likely the best example of this: the body up on the balcony shows no signs of life. not during the battle and not after it. he sacrificed himself, and in exchange got to become the "Dominus" we fight. he "ascended". paid the ultimate price for ultimate power.
the others I mentioned are lesser examples, because we don't actually get to see the "real" them, who are probably buried somewhere.

those aren't illusions, Pilla. those are real, powerful, nightmarish clones made to replace the people/historical figures of Wraeclast who's souls they took. all ultimately controlled by this "beast", who in the case of Dominus seems to at least partially interfere personally because we pissed it off - hence the 2nd part of the fight.

the gems, are just a means to an end. and figures like Malachai, Atziri's advisor (forgot his name), Piety (if she isn't dead) and Maligaro are tools. they fed souls to the "beast" by experimenting with the gems.
like so many others, they were drawn to the gems' power, not knowing they are falling into a trap.
though Malachai is probably unique in this regard: he did it knowingly and with a purpose.
Act 4 will answer why :)


symban speaks of illusions :p Not I. I wonder why the darkness did not reach the entire world, like Oriath as well.
The darkness tried to reach the whole world. But it used Leap Slam in a doorway and desynced for millenia...

Ehm. Now it is back. Stronger than ever. Only we remain to face it.
Gems are like Devourerpoop and Devourers don´t like Water.
We learned this on Arakis.
Thats why there are no Devourers in Oriath.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drDs-Y5DNH8
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johnKeys wrote:
that's where Atziri and her "sacrifice" theme fit in: Chitus'/Vaal Gemlings, Fidelitas, Merveil, Atziri, Dominus, Piety's Miscreations and maybe Piety herself are for all intents and purposes, dead.
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the gems, are just a means to an end. and figures like Malachai, Atziri's advisor (forgot his name), Piety (if she isn't dead) and Maligaro are tools. they fed souls to the "beast" by experimenting with the gems.
like so many others, they were drawn to the gems' power, not knowing they are falling into a trap.
though Malachai is probably unique in this regard: he did it knowingly and with a purpose.
Act 4 will answer why :)

That's an interesting take on the subject! They could very well be all either dead, merged into the Beast or mere puppets of it (time will tell or maybe not). Player chars are not affected because we don't have gems implanted, we just use them by proxy of our gear.

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Pilla wrote:
I can't help but feel that death triggers something with the gems, or the gems themselves become "nightmarish".

Death or extreme pain (as the Library book explicitly points out how elaborate Zerphi's tortures were). Maybe torture incites the gems, the Beast or whatever puppeteer is behind this all or even further than just the death of the gemling. That would explain why Kalisa's gem turned Merveil into a monster - Daresso gave it to hear after taking it from Kalisa (possibly killing her for it).
A sword he brought, his foes to maim and rend,
from places dark behind forbidden doors,
But night by night he woke with frighten'd roars
from darkest dreams, too strange to comprehend.
(Anonymous)
The game's lore has a serious Fullmetal alchemist vibe. The corruption, the "Beast", or Kitava as Haku calls it, is the main force behind the screwup that is Wraeclast. Shiny rocks give people lots of cool powers. There's one immortal character who (I assume) eventually sheperds the character to some kind of a conclusion.

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