Forsaken Craft: You've sort of broken your game GGG

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

You have just proved my point for me, this master mod will not even be accessible to casual players, instead the elites will zerg masters and get weapons that put them further beyond the casuals than ever before.

What is this argument?

If you didn't notice, Casuals dont care about them being "ahead". Casuals do not care that they are faster on the ladder, because even if they want to compete, they needed to give up social life for it.

It is not an argument for casuals.

Heck, this is no argument at all.

NO ONE GIVES A FLYING F*** ABOUT THE ELITE. If you want to be part of it, devote your life for it. Else, leave us "casuals" the ability to craft nice gear.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

I got a better idea end party masters. Solves all your problems. Self founded ppl can finally get something decent after like a year. No lifers wont be making those imba wpeaons to sell since it will takes months and you're casuals are right behind them.

one of the themes of my original post was this, to stop party zerging of masters allowing an elite group to get access to crazy stuff that casuals or solos will either not have access to or will take them 20x as long as achieve.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

No one is buying your feigned concern about making game too easy either. You're OP screams elitism and you dont want ppl to have decent weapons like you do. If you really cared about OP weapons you damn sure wouldn't make them which you have already done - you'd play with gear that made game a challenge instead. Naw you pick OP specs with OP gear and whine about easy game. Doh.

Do you know where I am playign right now? I am playing in beyond league, completely solo self found. I dont play with that gear in standard. I bought it because I could, because what else do I do with my orbs? I bought a shavs to skin on my cloak of defiance, because I like how it looked. I am playing with gear that that makes the game as challenging as possible, self found in a fresh hardcore league. I understand why you presume this, but I can assure you it is absolutely not the case and you are reading the wrong things into my motivations.

I am one of the people who no lifes this game, I have the opportunity to zerg masters in rampage and get close to my mirror worthy gear in rampage very quickly, I stand to gain so much more from this multimod than 99.999% of the player base, and yet Im asking for it to be nerfed. Why did I stop playing rampage? Because I had a 6 link harbinger (self found) that could 1 shot bosses in maps within like 5 days of the start of the league, it was such a joke that I quit the league and rerolled self found in beyond to find some challenge in the game.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

You have just proved my point for me, this master mod will not even be accessible to casual players, instead the elites will zerg masters and get weapons that put them further beyond the casuals than ever before.

What is this argument?

If you didn't notice, Casuals dont care about them being "ahead". Casuals do not care that they are faster on the ladder, because even if they want to compete, they needed to give up social life for it.

casuals care when they find themselves in a game balanced around a trade elite they can never catch up with because game mechanics buffs the 1% too much. This has been the basis of soooo much negative feedback in these forums, a lot of which actually resulted in this new crafting, but now a few specific mechanics in it have actually made the gap worse. Hence this thread.


I kind off feel like Im probably going to stop responding to you because its just going round in circles and you arnt really discussing the real heart of my original post but rather dancing around side issues in an attempt to find something to disagree on.

Price increase coming for Elreon mod (Quarl on podcast), better start crafting while you can.

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ggnorekthx wrote:

First off, KGs Rampage dagger looks kind of like a Crown of Eyes... nevermind, I see you fixed it. Honestly that first dagger you linked is terrible. I saw a lot better than that on Invasion. So I guess he just cheaped out and didn't upgrade. That is definitely not a fair comparison and you know it.

Secondly, I just searched xyz for 300 dps one handed weapons. Top 5 are all over 385 dps with one or no crafted mods. I mean, you're honestly grasping at straws here.

I understand your concern with the item race in the early leagues... but there's more to consider than just the multi-mod:

1. Masters have moved the power level. Period. A "great" weapon will now be better than what we thought was a great weapon a few leagues ago. Take away the multi-mod and you'll still see this. Crafting has changed.

2. We're constantly getting better at the game. A lot of us have played for close to two years. You can't possibly convince me that people were as good with crafting and their currency back in Onslaught. Because they weren't.

Times have changed, man. The game isn't even necessarily "easier", but it is better understood for sure. There are greater challenges out there than in CB/OB, but you're correct that the ability to get suited up for maps is definitely easier.

Not sure what else to say, since I don't agree with you I'm sure I'll just be labelled as someone who has no idea what I'm talking about.

no I think its a fair post man, Im more than happy if people disagree and actually have something meaningful to say. I dotn want conflict, but I dont want to bang my head on a wall with some of these people who literally only offer than.

Take away the multimod and ull still see this. Yes, absolutely agree with you, absolutely. The 1 mod crafting already buffs the hell out of the weapons on the server. Thats great, I love that, I argued hard for some way to buff the availability of viable strong endgame weapons. But by strong I mean approaching a binos level item, not approaching a broken standard 1000 exalt craft from a white item using alts and regals and then benching. Thats the only part I have an issue with.

With 1 mod crafting, you have to start with a good rare item find in order to get a strong endgame weapon. Thats open to anyone, anyone can find that rare thats 1 free stat away from a super endgame monster, a noob can walk into a lvl72 map and find something amazing. When the craft from whites are offering stuff thats stronger than the vast majority of things you are likely to find that takes the rng drops out of the equation and makes it a situation where it really is the elites who party stomp masters all day that control 99% of the strong weapon market. It weakens the opportunity for the little guy to find the best rare weapon currently on the server and says no matter what you find basically the crafts from white controlled by the elite are where its at for the most. Anyone cna find the mirror, anyone can find the eternal, anyone can find the shavs, anyone can find that dagger KG has? Not really man, a mirror is far, far more common than finding a weapon like that, next to no one finds a dagger like that, but now the top player base can monopolise them. Imo that sucks.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

casuals care when they find themselves in a game balanced around a trade elite they can never catch up with because game mechanics buffs the 1% too much. This has been the basis of soooo much negative feedback in these forums, a lot of which actually resulted in this new crafting, but now a few specific mechanics in it have actually made the gap worse. Hence this thread.


I kind off feel like Im probably going to stop responding to you because its just going round in circles and you arnt really discussing the real heart of my original post but rather dancing around side issues in an attempt to find something to disagree on.

So you say, now that everyone is able to craft passable gear we never can "catch up" to the "elite"?

Its exactly the opposite now...

Also plase explain what "catching up" means. because there is only 1 goal in the ladder and that is finishing lvl 100 first.

There is no other competition in this game, and ppl who don't care about it don't care about the elite. All I enjoy is a fresh start every 3-4 month. I don't give a damn about those who reach lvl 100 2 weeks in.

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ggnorekthx wrote:

First off, KGs Rampage dagger looks kind of like a Crown of Eyes... nevermind, I see you fixed it. Honestly that first dagger you linked is terrible. I saw a lot better than that on Invasion. So I guess he just cheaped out and didn't upgrade. That is definitely not a fair comparison and you know it.

as for the daggers, tbh I doubt that crafted dagger cost that much more than the ambush one, theyre both cheap out options, its just one of them is now close to as good as it gets and the other one is sort of sucky. And by sort of sucky, I mean a dagger that used to be worth exalts and can still destroy high endgame maps. Its terrible? Well, its approaching a binos, which is a serious dagger, a very, very serious dagger that cost 15 exalts in ambush.

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Vincendra wrote:

So you say, now that everyone is able to craft passable gear we never can "catch up" to the "elite"?

Its exactly the opposite now...

everyone has their masters leveled that far? No, they dont, 95% of the player base will never have masters that high in the ladders. Thats par tof my original post, you know you really should read that again, properly this time. Or not, honestly I dont care. This post was made for GGG, my feedback to them, I didnt expect a single reply from anyone else, I didnt really want a single reply from anyone else, I wanted the devs to read my post and how I felt and thanks for keeping me bumped for so long increasing the chances of that happening, but really I dont care what you guys want to misread into what I am saying.

Sure everyone can have one, everyone who trades, all they have to do is go to a high end elite player and pay whatever he demands for the service. Rich get richer, a term used to often on these forums, and more often than not its used wrongly by people looking to complain, here however it really is true. Loath Banes for everyone, as monopolised by the 1%, gg to us no lifers, sad to say for the lifers, solo self founders gtfo you get jack shit unless you no life 30x as hard as the elites.

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Odoakar wrote:

Price increase coming for Elreon mod (Quarl on podcast), better start crafting while you can.

Nice job QQers.

With my Elreon 1 month+ away from 8, its time to shop & use services, I guess -_-

E:
Rich will get slightly more richer on top of it, because QQ-ing about rich getting richer.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Sure everyone can have one, everyone who trades, all they have to do is go to a high end elite player and pay whatever he demands for the service. Rich get richer, a term used to often on these forums, and more often than not its used wrongly by people looking to complain, here however it really is true. Loath Banes for everyone, as monopolised by the 1%, gg to us no lifers, sad to say for the lifers, solo self founders gtfo you get jack shit unless you no life 30x as hard as the elites.

I'd rather pay, what, 5 chaos to a lvl 8 Elreon player to get this mod instead of blowing several exalts up someone's overpricing arse.