Forsaken Craft: You've sort of broken your game GGG

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Vincendra wrote:

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nynyny wrote:

Is this some sort of bad joke? Becuase I seriously hope it is. Youre saying that Alt/Auging two mods is half the work when everything that comes afterwards requires currency that is 500+ times as valuable? Are you having a giggle?

It is Alt/Regaling, since you want your 2 suffixes to be Crit/attspd.

Please, if its so easy, Alt/Regal such a double t1 dagger and post your results of orbs used.

LMAO

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Vincendra wrote:

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nynyny wrote:

Is this some sort of bad joke? Becuase I seriously hope it is. Youre saying that Alt/Auging two mods is half the work when everything that comes afterwards requires currency that is 500+ times as valuable? Are you having a giggle?

It is Alt/Regaling, since you want your 2 suffixes to be Crit/attspd.

Please, if its so easy, Alt/Regal such a double t1 dagger and post your results of orbs used.

No one says its easy. But its a completely retarded thing to imply that Alting/Aug/Regaling is half the work when one Eternal/Exalted roll costs you ~2000 Alterations. And you will probably require a shit ton of them until you finally got the mod you want, let alone one from a decent tier.

Hey, Alt/Aug/Regaling at least makes you click more often. Half the work, right?

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TheAnuhart wrote:

FM boosted those who will 820, those who will shop and the elite '1%'.
In a 3 month league, they will all do great. Are we calling that the middle? I dunno, semantics.
But there was a large number of people who the OP feels were the target of FM, that are standing looking in amazement as the world rushes by in turbo mode.

Obviously most of PoE players do trade for their gear.

More good gear on the market, means cheaper alternatives, which means less people stuck at lvl X, because they have shitty gear. Most people will not get masters to 8, expecially not in temp. leagues, but they'll still benefit from the new market. FM definitelly boosted the 'middle class' majority - the trading majority.

FM didnt boost as much SF play, but nobody expected that, as GGG are firmly opposed to SF concept. Hardly surprising.

Dunno, this thread seems most QQ about "my top end gear is now not worth 1000ex anymore". Dont remember, but a year ago there probably were people like OP, claiming that "easier map content accessibility will break the game".

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nynyny wrote:

Good job basically repeating what I said. None of that changes the fact that I prefer rolling shit with Chaos rather than simply having them in my stash and use them to trade. I rather pay 28 Chaos for an EX and satisfy my rolling addiction than stashing them just to pay 38 Chaos for an EX.

Its up to preference and in my book this part of the game went the completely wrong way and due to the FM addition is only becoming worse because Chaos Orbs lose value by the hour. It has something to do with the general feeling of the game, making a Chaos drop or the Chaos recipe feel way less rewarding because the item you just got is worth a fraction of what it used to be.

No one forces you to use the master crafting. If you want to roll rares with chaos, then sell your exalts for mass chaos and roll your rares with it.

Nothing holding you back if you find it too easy else.

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Vincendra wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Where did I ever say to grab MF and farm dom? Not once did I ever say that.

Best of luck lvling your masters to 8 mate. I sincerely hope they make adjustments.

Peace

Edit: odokar, that is a 446 dps dagger btw Fucking broken.

Oh please enlighten me then, how could I possibly afford to get a 300+ DPS 1h weapon (esp. crit weapons like Daggers, Sceptres and Claws) without farming for 2 digits value of Exalts pre Masters?

Why the hell do you keep talking of 300+? I'm talking about 446 dps. If it was 300 dps, I couldn't give a rats ass. We're talking about INSANE gear here. Not decent gear, but the best gear one could ever hope to get.

If it was 325, even 350, I would be fine. But we're talking about 400+ items AND critical chance rolls. It broke. Flat out. And I do fully anticipate a change to this at some point in time.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

I think snorkle is pointing out how masters kinda missed what he thought was the target.

I also think it's easily explained. Joe solo self found casual was never the target, anyway.
Breaking the game is what GGG do, ladders were the child of a broken assed game in D2. GGG logic is; to recapture the magic, we need to break stuff as often as possible and fuck anybody who doesn't party-shop-PoLR everything, who the hell would play an aRPG solo anyway?

This isn't to say that Joe should be crafting the gear we are seeing, no, it's that nobody should and most definitely there didn't need to be a buff where we see it manifesting.


@Snorkle "You've sort of broken your game GGG", yes, it's what they do. Ground-hog-day reroll leagues are all that matters. Broken game worked in D2, it must be the only way.

I just want to add, as a bit of food for thought.

There will be people who 8/8 these leagues who have never been further than Haku's entrance.
And who have never engaged combat with Vagan.

Blame 820, whatever. It's the design, not the tools used by players.

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Vincendra wrote:

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nynyny wrote:

Good job basically repeating what I said. None of that changes the fact that I prefer rolling shit with Chaos rather than simply having them in my stash and use them to trade. I rather pay 28 Chaos for an EX and satisfy my rolling addiction than stashing them just to pay 38 Chaos for an EX.

Its up to preference and in my book this part of the game went the completely wrong way and due to the FM addition is only becoming worse because Chaos Orbs lose value by the hour. It has something to do with the general feeling of the game, making a Chaos drop or the Chaos recipe feel way less rewarding because the item you just got is worth a fraction of what it used to be.

No one forces you to use the master crafting. If you want to roll rares with chaos, then sell your exalts for mass chaos and roll your rares with it.

Nothing holding you back if you find it too easy else.

The economy is holding me back. Unless I want to stop having access to certain uniques I am forced to play the game in its most efficient way. Because based on that playstyle the economy dedicates the value of certain items and the exchange rates for Exalteds. So to some extend I am forced to use master crafting to keep up with the "average" income or otherwise I am not able to afford what I want to afford.

Sell my Exalts? Sure thing, as soon as I have one drop I might consider it.

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nynyny wrote:

No one says its easy. But its a completely retarded thing to imply that Alting/Aug/Regaling is half the work when one Eternal/Exalted roll costs you ~2000 Alterations. And you will probably require a shit ton of them until you finally got the mod you want, let alone one from a decent tier.

Hey, Alt/Aug/Regaling at least makes you click more often. Half the work, right?

DUUUUUDE

Its not Alt/Augment...

Its Alt (Tyrannical) --> Regal (Flaring).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0ArsB7KohOhhpdHoyZzU2WVZZNXQxMDg4MVk1b0FGbkE&f=true&noheader=true&gid=3

Go to daggers. look up all the pre and suffixes. After Regaling only 1 Prefix, you need to roll either 1 of the same master craftable suffixes or prefixes if you dont care about the Tier it rolls.

But if you want to get flaring, you need to get the added phys dmg (1 out of 34 possible affixes you can roll with a regal there). Now, nearly every affix has up to 8 possible rolls (+ socket gems got only 3). For the maths sake, lets say on average every affix has 6 affix tiers.

So a Flaring roll is 1/204.

Now you need to consider, that you need to ALT it to ONLY roll Tryannical without any other Mod (Although you might be lucky and Alt tyranical with a good enough suffix roll (attsp/crit/critmulti).

That doesnt mean you Regal it good enough though.



You make it seem so easy to roll such a dagger.

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nynyny wrote:

The economy is holding me back. Unless I want to stop having access to certain uniques I am forced to play the game in its most efficient way. Because based on that playstyle the economy dedicates the value of certain items and the exchange rates for Exalteds. So to some extend I am forced to use master crafting to keep up with the "average" income or otherwise I am not able to afford what I want to afford.

Sell my Exalts? Sure thing, as soon as I have one drop I might consider it.

So who is standing with a gun behind you while playing FORCING you?

No one. You don't need to trade. If you find it to easy, stop using trade and play to your hearts contend with or without MF gear until the Unique you need sop desperatly drops.

There are many builds which make it possible to play them MF up to maps without trading (Totem builds/Summoners mostly).

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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Vincendra wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Where did I ever say to grab MF and farm dom? Not once did I ever say that.

Best of luck lvling your masters to 8 mate. I sincerely hope they make adjustments.

Peace

Edit: odokar, that is a 446 dps dagger btw Fucking broken.

Oh please enlighten me then, how could I possibly afford to get a 300+ DPS 1h weapon (esp. crit weapons like Daggers, Sceptres and Claws) without farming for 2 digits value of Exalts pre Masters?

Why the hell do you keep talking of 300+? I'm talking about 446 dps. If it was 300 dps, I couldn't give a rats ass. We're talking about INSANE gear here. Not decent gear, but the best gear one could ever hope to get.

If it was 325, even 350, I would be fine. But we're talking about 400+ items AND critical chance rolls. It broke. Flat out. And I do fully anticipate a change to this at some point in time.

And for that, it is the ambusher base to blame. Had it been a demon dagger it would be on the 300+ realm. I 've said it 1000 times that daggers should not have 1.6 base attack speed. It is downright broken. 1.2 base is fine.