Damage Conversion min-maxing

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Damage_conversion

There is all the info you need.

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Ludvator wrote:

Im completely lost in your posts. Maybe defining variables and using equations instead long sentences would..

I will use my example instead:

100 base phys damage, 35% added fire, 30% hatred
80% increased phys, 40% increased elemental, 20% increased fire, 10% increased cold


1) no conversions

physical part - 100*(1 + 0,8 ) = 180
fire part - 35*(1 + 0,8 + 0,4 + 0,2) = 84
cold part - 30*(1 + 0,8 + 0,4 + 0,1) = 69


2) 50% conversion (Infernal blow initial hit)

physical part - 50*(1 + 0,8 ) = 90
fire part - (35 + 50)*(1 + 0,8 + 0,4 + 0,2) = 204
cold part - 30*(1 + 0,8 + 0,4 + 0,1) = 69


3) 100% conversion with AoF (Infernal blow initial hit + Avatar of Fire)

fire part (without damage from Hatred) - (100+35)*(1 + 0,8 + 0,4 + 0,2) = 324
fire part (damage from Hatred) (30/2)*(1+ 0,8 + 0,4 + 0,2 + 0,1) = 37,5

hope that helps. If you manage to get your example into some kind of equation, I would be able to clear things up for you

e: typos

Thanks a Lot ! And thank you for the note. I should have used more numbers, rather than words. We have a saying here in my country "I am explaining it that way, so even I can understand what I am explaining" :D ... nvm
Your words were very helpful ! I have always thought that the math goes this way:
(i will use your "no conversion" fire part)

{0.35 * [100*(1+0.8)]}*(1 + 0.4 + 0.2)= 100,8
Seems like that's not the case, although it makes much more sense to me that the added elemental damage should be separately multiplied by the elemental nodes.

And I just did a testing with a 2H pure phys Char.

It shows: 3757 - 5802 Physical damage
When Hatred (35%) is up it adds 1352 - 2089 cold damage
(for the sake of calculation i will use several regrets and get Catalyze to see the numbers of cold damage)
So, Additional 32% (elemental nodes) and cold damage is now 1449-2239
So the Flat increase is 97-150, which is definitely not 32% increase in the cold damage from Hatred Aura.
You are SO RIGHT ! and... This goes to bookmarks :D
I Won't even test the rest part of your calculations, i will assume you know what you're talking about :) Thanks, mate ;)

this has been asked many times, but never in such long post :) .. It was difficult to say where your confusion comes from :)

Actually, my whole response could have been (as usual):

All applicable "increased" damage modifiers from all sources are summed up .. and you would figure out the rest:)

I have an example that is different from OP's case, but I tried to make it easier to read and understand the numbers.

The confusion stems from:

With 100 base physical damage and no conversion modifiers

Physical +100%
Added Fire 30%
Elemental/Fire +100%

Some do(incorrect)
(100 phy *2) = 200 phy
(200 phy *0.3 fire) = 60 fire
(60 fire *2) = 120 fire
200 phy 120 fire total

rather than(correct)
(100 phy *2) = 200 phy
(100 phy *0.3 fire) = 30 fire
(30 fire *3) = 90 fire
200 phy and 90 fire total



They're essentially multiplying the fire damage with both modifiers instead of adding because they go by how the skill is worded: "Gain x% of Physical Damage as Extra Fire Damage". As mentioned before, in a case where you have 100% converted to an element, it does not matter whether you get elemental or physical increases.

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Ludvator wrote:

All applicable "increased" damage modifiers from all sources are summed up

isn't really as straight forward as it sounds for those who don't already understand, especially with conversion.